SHANNYPLAN
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Doubtful, though possibly the year after. It's hard to say when Staal will hit the wall.
Fletcher was let go because of repeated 1st-round exists. Presumably Fenton is under orders to improve the team and get them further than that. The word "tweak" has been driven into the ground, but it seems to be what Leipold is expecting and what Fenton was looking to do before the draft.
The market doesn't seem to have been there, though. I think it's likely Minnesota will make a trade before July of next year, but they'll probably go into this season with their current team.
That's understandable. But how does trading a performing mid career player make Minnesota better NOW? Unless they want to trade futures, or someone does them a favor? Is the concern that he's under leveraged behind Dumba?
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And there's very little doubt that Spurgeon would be your best defenseman.
I personally think that Spurgeon for Kadri straight up is fair, but if anyone is adding, it's Toronto.
Spurgeon's just one option. Zucker and Nino seem like likely candidates. I'd bet Brodin will be too as soon as they confirm how Suter has recovered. Maybe Coyle, though he's cheap, right-handed and plays two of our shallower positions (C and RW).
Anyway, I don't think the goal is to get better right now at all costs. The bigger question is how Minnesota stays competitive and takes a step forward while guys like Parise, Koivu and Staal get older and contribute less. They could double-down on the 30+ guys (bad idea) or try to re-orient around the 20-somethings and ELC guys (probably a better idea). A younger (early-mid 20's) forward with high upside seems ideal to me, and Spurgeon could be the price we have to pay for that sort of player. But if one isn't available I don't see any problem with keeping Spurgeon.
Edit: I'll add, Spurgeon for a top-6 center that's around the same age would also interest me. I was sort of hoping for Spurgeon for O'Reilly, but that doesn't seem to be what Botterill was after. I can't deny that Kadri would also fit the bill.
That's the bind. The clock is ticking on Suter, Parise, Koivu and Staal. Only Staal is tradeable, but MIN can't really upgrade him, he's already awesome. If Minnesota wants to maximize their value now they need to bundle futures to upgrade the mid 20s guys. If they trade away unbundled mid 20s guys: Spurgeon, Brodin, Coyle, Zucker, Niederreiter they can't get better now, only in the future.
It's a very thin market to go from mid 20's above average player to high upside prospect.
No, he was not. Suter was clearly the best Dman. Spurgeon is a solid #2.
When you start " value of" threads, you have to expect such things, Especially from Leafs fans.
Just for the record, the Wild don't need middle six wingers with limited offensive skills, or poorly performing Dmen on expensive contracts. I mean, what team does?
If the market isn't there the market isn't there. We're better off betting on internal development than making bad trades, if that's the choice we're facing. There's no reason to get desperate.
Agreed. I get that Spurgeon is awesome n all but Suter is arguably a top 10 D in the league.
All the recent hype about Dumba should not hide the fact that Spurgeon is a better all round Dman. Unlike Dumba, he provides excellent, mainly gaffe free( everyone has bad days) defense.
If Dumba is good enough to play with Suter, putting Spurgeon back with Brodin is a great thing, as Spurgeon will be able to spread his wings a bit more, and Brodin won't have to babysit his partner, allowing him to take more chances.
The only way Spurgeon should ever get traded is for a gifted top six player. Top pairing RHD are valuable and near impossible to trade for.
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Toronto is better off holding onto there young players and building up there value. I wouldn't be shocked to see Johnsson and Nylander score 70 points.
Obviously we would love Dumba/Jared though; and we want to close on a deal if there was something logical for both parties
Obviously we would love Dumba/Jared though; and we want to close on a deal if there was something logical for both parties
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eh I think it's close, and as good as spurgeon is I think his numbers are helped by playing alongside an equally awesome Suter, whereas kadri hasn't had frontline linemates for the most part.
to be honest - I don't think the wild should be trading spurgeon at all, especially if they're doing it because they think dumba is better...when he's nowhere near as good.
but, if they were trading spurgeon for some strange reason, I do think kadri is pretty good trade partner.
Darn, I was looking forward to reading the 5 pages about CF% and QoC.
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Trying to keep the Leafs stuff to a minimum, really wanting to see what other fans are offering.
Fenton would have to do his homework on Puljujarvi, but I don't hate it. I don't see much use for Benning since I'd assume we'd be adding a middle-pairing RHD in another trade.
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