sorry wall of text... the real study of chiarelli's last 5 years in boston

[northeastern]

Chias problem was he wasn't able to restock the team and evolve on the fly to stay competitive. Poor drafting and a few bad contracts got him stuck and he had no way out... The team had an amazing core but bringing in cheap impact players was difficult. I also think CJs style handcuffed him some, he had a coach who needed a style of player and that dictated what he could do in my opinion.

He's also done a pretty bad job with all that talent in Edmonton. Hall is the only example required in my opinion that was a disaster trade.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

I sometimes wonder how different the last decade would've been if Chiarelli just picked Couture over Hamill.

I've always wondered more about if they took Joe Sakic instead of Stephane Quintal.

 

[DKH]

I've always wondered more about if they took Joe Sakic instead of Stephane Quintal.

If I remember the draft was in Detroit and they got Wesley & Quintell to Tigers Stadium (what a Park) and on the field for a team quick spot.

As the Bruins pick came up the announcers said the Bruins already took a wing they need help at center and mention Joe Sakic as a possible pick.

Harry methinks was trying to do a Bourque/McCrimmon redo

The other name mentioned was Jody Hull. Had it been Brett Hull and Sakic and they took that stiff Quintell I’d have lost it.

 

[WhalerTurnedBruin55]

Which doesn't change the fact that Reilly Smith was egregiously classified under "a bunch of plugs."

Uh yea, I know. I didn't classify him as that. It also doesn't change we got nothing for him.

 

[LSCII]

couple of quarrels.

1. Loui Eriksson was a good get. a 30 goal, 70 pt 2 way winger. You can't fault Chiarelli for not predicting Loui would get his brain scrambled by a brutal cheap elbow his 1st season here.

his only healthy season here, he went for 30-33-63. good for 2nd on the team in goals and points

2. Reilly Smith is hardly a "plug"

3. getting rid of Eberle was the right move. He is a soft, 1 dimensional, and was a brutal flop in the playoffs for them...going for zero goals and only 2 points in 13 games.

his biggest downfall here was drafting. He never had the next wave to keep it going so had to overpay the vets to hang on.

If he were in say Tampa, where he would be allowed to sell of assets, suck for a few years and reload it would've been better for him. But you cant do that here.

The concussion had very little to do with why Eriksson struggled his first two years and everything to do with Claude. He struggled to produce his first two years because Claude relegated him to a third line checking role and it wasn't until he played on the first line with Krejci that he returned to his Dallas form, production-wise. I don't think it's unreasonable to believe that had he been with DK from the start, he'd have been far more productive.

 

[LSCII]

A couple of brutal early moves from PC haven't been mentioned (as far as I've seen). First and literally the worst was the hiring of Dave Lewis. The guy was a joke, and even worse was that because he fired him after one season, PC had to account for his salary and not spend to the cap per an edict from JJ.

The second move from early on in his tenure was to grossly overpay Peter Shaefer and have that guy end up being buried in the minors before they outright cut him after 2 seasons. This was a foreshadowing of many bottom of the roster types being overpaid and should have been seen as a warning sign.

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

Uh yea, I know. I didn't classify him as that. It also doesn't change we got nothing for him.

having none of the pieces left on the team <> "getting nothing for him"

and it wasnt Chia that gave him away for Jimmy Hayes

 

[BigBadBruins7708]

A couple of brutal early moves from PC haven't been mentioned (as far as I've seen). First and literally the worst was the hiring of Dave Lewis. The guy was a joke, and even worse was that because he fired him after one season, PC had to account for his salary and not spend to the cap per an edict from JJ.

The second move from early on in his tenure was to grossly overpay Peter Shaefer and have that guy end up being buried in the minors before they outright cut him after 2 seasons. This was a foreshadowing of many bottom of the roster types being overpaid and should have been seen as a warning sign.

true.

the Dave Lewis part is hindsighting though.

He came to Boston on the heels of learning under Bowman in Detroit, and coaching Detroit to 110 and 109 point seasons.

 

[LSCII]

Lonnie will hit on anything with lips and a heartbeat...

Not true. In my single days I was very exclusive. I'd only sleep with women that said yes...

 

[LSCII]

true.

the Dave Lewis part is hindsighting though.

He came to Boston on the heels of learning under Bowman in Detroit, and coaching Detroit to 110 and 109 point seasons.

The tip off should have been that despite the success of the teams he had in Detroit, he was still shit canned. I have a buddy that is from Michigan originally, and he laughed his ass off when they hired Lewis. Said he was a clown and the players didn't respect him in Detroit.

 

[Donnie Shulzhoffer]

The tip off should have been that despite the success of the teams he had in Detroit, he was still **** canned. I have a buddy that is from Michigan originally, and he laughed his ass off when they hired Lewis. Said he was a clown and the players didn't respect him in Detroit.

Great Hitler impression though.

 

[Mainehockey33]

The concussion had very little to do with why Eriksson struggled his first two years and everything to do with Claude. He struggled to produce his first two years because Claude relegated him to a third line checking role and it wasn't until he played on the first line with Krejci that he returned to his Dallas form, production-wise. I don't think it's unreasonable to believe that had he been with DK from the start, he'd have been far more productive.

You think just because Eriksson had already had a 30+ goal season he should just start on the first line with Krejci? Not on Claude’s team. He’s lucky he didn’t start on the Merlot and work his way up from there.

As much as some of Chiarelli’s later moves pissed me off, CJ might have wore out his welcome sooner.

 

[BruinDust]

The concussion had very little to do with why Eriksson struggled his first two years and everything to do with Claude. He struggled to produce his first two years because Claude relegated him to a third line checking role and it wasn't until he played on the first line with Krejci that he returned to his Dallas form, production-wise. I don't think it's unreasonable to believe that had he been with DK from the start, he'd have been far more productive.

In Claude's defense he started Eriksson out on the line with Marchand-Bergeron. The same line everyone says you can put pretty much any winger with those two and make it work. Well it didn't with Eriksson.

Claude did get far to married to the Eriksson-Soderberg combination. When Soderberg's play dropped off, it definitely had a negative impact on Eriksson's production.

 

[Mainehockey33]

In Claude's defense he started Eriksson out on the line with Marchand-Bergeron. The same line everyone says you can put pretty much any winger with those two and make it work. Well it didn't with Eriksson.

Claude did get far to married to the Eriksson-Soderberg combination. When Soderberg's play dropped off, it definitely had a negative impact on Eriksson's production.

Claude was too stubborn. He went with Lucic-Krejci-Seguin for a few games during the regular season, then in the playoffs Horton blows out his shoulder and Claude doesnt try that combo again? I can’t remember who he put there, probably Peverley.

 

[BruinDust]

Claude was too stubborn. He went with Lucic-Krejci-Seguin for a few games during the regular season, then in the playoffs Horton blows out his shoulder and Claude doesnt try that combo again? I can’t remember who he put there, probably Peverley.

Are you referring to 2012 or 2013?

In 2012 it was Peverly, but Seguin was entrenched on the Bergeron line.

In 2013 Horton played that final injured and was clearly not effective. I thought at the time the smart move would of been to put Seguin up there, at least he was healthy. Instead Claude kept rolling out an injured Horton and that line as a whole in the Chicago series were a shadow of what they were in the Pittsburgh series when Horton was healthy.

 

[b in vancouver]

Chiarelli made mistakes for sure but...

The price of oil fell through the floor over the space of a year. It killed the Canadian dollar and stagnated The Cap. That hurt the Bruins more than any team in the league with the possible exception of Chicago. You look at those teams from '10 - '15 and how much those guys made afterwards and there was just no way to keep the team together.

Drafting wasn't good. However that happens a lot to teams near the top of the league and chasing a Cup - as they're trading away picks more often and not getting any high picks.

 

[Mainehockey33]

Are you referring to 2012 or 2013?

In 2012 it was Peverly, but Seguin was entrenched on the Bergeron line.

In 2013 Horton played that final injured and was clearly not effective. I thought at the time the smart move would of been to put Seguin up there, at least he was healthy. Instead Claude kept rolling out an injured Horton and that line as a whole in the Chicago series were a shadow of what they were in the Pittsburgh series when Horton was healthy.

2013

Horton was a ghost after his injury and Seguin was playing pretty well. If Seguin had Lucic to pass it to instead of Dogwhoever the series might have at least gone 7.

 

[Gonzothe7thDman]

Chiarelli made mistakes for sure but...

The price of oil fell through the floor over the space of a year. It killed the Canadian dollar and stagnated The Cap. That hurt the Bruins more than any team in the league with the possible exception of Chicago. You look at those teams from '10 - '15 and how much those guys made afterwards and there was just no way to keep the team together.

Drafting wasn't good. However that happens a lot to teams near the top of the league and chasing a Cup - as they're trading away picks more often and not getting any high picks.

I gotta use this if I get a poor score on my next performance review.

 

[Tampbear]

I don't think Chiarelli deserved to be fired, no gm only makes good moves and I feel like luck worked against a number of Chiarelli's moves toward the end of his career in Boston. I am mostly happy with what Sweeney has done so far but he has also mostly just made safe moves and relied on a great scouting staff which Chiarelli was a big part of constructing. I think Sweeney is a better evaluator of talent than Chiarelli could ever hope to be who needs a good group of scouts which he hasn't had the benefit of in Edmonton so far but I don't hold that against him as everyone has there weaknesses and Chiarelli identified that while he was here. I don't lament him being gone and am happy for the job he did here. I don't know what this team would look like if he was still GM but I am happy with how it is currently constructed for the most part and excited about the future of the team.

 

[LSCII]

You think just because Eriksson had already had a 30+ goal season he should just start on the first line with Krejci? Not on Claude’s team. He’s lucky he didn’t start on the Merlot and work his way up from there.

As much as some of Chiarelli’s later moves pissed me off, CJ might have wore out his welcome sooner.

I was done with both of them before the cup win. After that happened, they won the right for more time. Claude's system just sucked the fun out of watching them play for me. It was so boring and safe. So predictable too, which teams exploited pretty easily in the playoffs.

 

[easton117]

I don't think Chiarelli deserved to be fired, no gm only makes good moves and I feel like luck worked against a number of Chiarelli's moves toward the end of his career in Boston. I am mostly happy with what Sweeney has done so far but he has also mostly just made safe moves and relied on a great scouting staff which Chiarelli was a big part of constructing. I think Sweeney is a better evaluator of talent than Chiarelli could ever hope to be who needs a good group of scouts which he hasn't had the benefit of in Edmonton so far but I don't hold that against him as everyone has there weaknesses and Chiarelli identified that while he was here. I don't lament him being gone and am happy for the job he did here. I don't know what this team would look like if he was still GM but I am happy with how it is currently constructed for the most part and excited about the future of the team.

It’s kinda hard to complain about a guy who put together a cup team. When you start complaining they didn’t win more that will certainly get you the stink eye from other fan bases that never even see the playoffs.

That said, aside from his last one surprisingly, his draft record was just poor. So so poor. You cannot, in any cap league, miss on picks over and over again.

Anyway, glad he won the cup for Boston and us fans. Also glad he took his lack of math skills to Edmonton to hang out with that owner and his kid with the curly fro.

 

[Dennis Bonvie]

I was done with both of them before the cup win. After that happened, they won the right for more time. Claude's system just sucked the fun out of watching them play for me. It was so boring and safe. So predictable too, which teams exploited pretty easily in the playoffs.

I thought they were pretty entertaining until the 2014-15 season.

Even in 2013-14 the B's won 54 games, were 3rd in goals scored and still played a heavy game.

In the playoffs they were 57-40 under Julien.

 

[DKH]

2013

Horton was a ghost after his injury and Seguin was playing pretty well. If Seguin had Lucic to pass it to instead of Dogwhoever the series might have at least gone 7.

That pass by Seguin was spectacular

I just want to know how the series goes if he scores there.

Maybe a desperate Chicago wins game 2 and not Boston but I’d like to see what would have happened

 

[EverettMike]

That pass by Seguin was spectacular

I just want to know how the series goes if he scores there.

Maybe a desperate Chicago wins game 2 and not Boston but I’d like to see what would have happened

Soderberg should have been in that spot in the Penguins series (which I was screaming for even as they were sweeping the Pens). Even with him transitioning to the NHL he was still a significant upgrade over Daugavins who was one of the worst players they ever had.

 

[Bruin4Life]

People seem to forget that every contract Chiarelli gave out came with a NMC or NTC