The issue with extrapolating data from the fantasy side of things is that it can go both ways. Peverley and Button went with Seguin in that deal, so we'd also have to consider all of the best possible outcomes for them if we were to do it with what was returned to make it fair. The easy answer is "well, that's a scouts job to know", but that same book was available on the players we received. Their scouts obviously knew more then ours, and raked Chia over the coals, even without considering the unpredictable health issues that forced Peverley to retire early.
At the end of the day, even looking at it then you had a 28 year old Eriksson coming off a subpar, (albeit lockout shortened) season, a defensive prospect who failed to mature the way two previous teams had hoped, and a forward prospect who could only thrive at the AHL level. The best part of that return was a mediocre second line guy, who in a good year can pot you just north of 20 goals.
They traded for all of that giving up a 21 year old former 2nd OA who was 1 year removed from leading a cup final team in points during the regular season (and who apparently had maturity issues... again, at 21).
I'd argue that our perception isn't at all skewed, that it was an absolutely horrendous failure of a move on all points. The big tell now is what we have left from that trade, and what Dallas has left. Boston has nothing, Dallas has a 40 goal, consistent 70+ point guy they can depend on to be part of their core. It's akin to justifying the Thornton trade with the FA signings of Savard and Chara.
is going to be interesting to see what dallas pays to keep seguin next year... or if he is the next Tavares on the run?
if we only judge an original trade based on how it turns out by happen chance and tumbling blocks down the road... is that really fair?
that Vancouver trade of neely/Pederson just becomes bloody epic when you trace the forensics of it down through the following 3 decades
but did anyone on d day... know that glen Wesley would be picked... or that he would get moved for 3 pics... or that it would turn into milan lucic through sergei samsonov… and then become martin jones... and so on and so on...
can we really give credit to those guys at the trade desk way back in the 1980s that the bruins would still be building a huge part of their team in 2018 on the left overs of that first trade?
its fun... to follow the steps... I like to do it... but it doesn't make the original trade any better or worst based on what either team does with the players in following years
boston wanted to get a cost controlled winger that could provide 2 way scoring and replace seguins/h0rtons production on a cup caliber team… they got that
boston wanted some ready to play youth with good upside potential... riley smith stepped right in and played decent that first year. later we learnt he has a pattern in his career... 1 good/1 bad/1good/1 bad/1 good. it seems he has problems getting content and slacking off when hes been around for a couple years on a new team. but does anyone here doubt this guy can be a 60+point guy based on his talent? he was a young guy with a ton of talent... and we hoped we could fix his attitude problems
morrow??? dmen don't always pan out... theres tons and tons of dmen that teams spend first round picks on that never work out. until a dman has 200 games under his belt... hes basically a mystery to most pro scout evaluators. but the one thing they all agree on... if you don't have a few dmen in the system then its unlikely any of them will ever turn out. you got to take a few swings at the fences when it comes to young dmen.
fraser??? occasionally once in a blue moon a guy like Charlie simmer or mike Knuble will have some offensive tools that don't translate in his orgional city... and you take a flyer on him. usually it turns out like sandy moger or mr fraser but you cant hit any home runs unless you swing hard at the lazy pitchs crossing the plate
I didn't like the seguin trade the day it was made... I was not loui erikssons fan. I was quite unhappy with riley smith too. I spoke out my concerns about both these players numerous times when they were here
but I don't know what other offers there was for seguin. that's just it. I don't know... we don't know... none of us know
is it ok to be unhappy with the return... sure... I say sure... I say yes... im unhappy... of course I say its ok to be unhappy. but we should be fair about it. we should understand Chiarelli didn't act in a vacuum. he wasn't a power mad hitler at the controls of the red button. we saw on behind the bs... it was a team discussion with a lot of voices in the mix.
and we don't know if it was the best offer. we don't. what we know is the team wanted seguin gone. it was a team decision. and it was made with information we at home aren't privy to other than the bits and pieces that get leaked {which even those... a lot of us refuse to listen to}
