They were 25th, and GAA is not defense. It is defense and goaltending.How are the Rangers the worst defensive team in the league??? The Rangers finished 23rd with a 3.14 GAA. In comparison the Leafs were 26th with a 3.17 GAA.
Rielly played the same number of games as Hamilton and Pesce played more games than Muzzin. I don't see what's so special about what they've done, and that's with a ton of money spent on defense depth, some of it wasted.We do not have the depth that is necessary when injuries occur (look at what Carolina has done without Hamilton and Pesce).
Yeah, and they sucked.And was Columbus missing Jones for a period of time?
Hedman missed like 3 games... Stamkos didn't miss more than the likes of Marner.Tampa Bay missing Stamkos and Hedman?
They were.Why are these, and other, teams not affected the way we were?
Most teams do not play through injuries to the extent that our key players did this season.And are you saying players on other teams don’t play through injuries?
There isn't really blame to place for a low-percentage shot that goes off a stick and then the post and in.However, where does the blame go?
Nylander did go back to cover the point. The shot wasn't from the boards, so why would he be engaged along the boards? Why wouldn't Keefe play Nylander in an elinination game?Nylander did not go back so was it his fault? Was the winger not supposed to be engaged along the boards, so was it his fault? Should Keefe be blamed for putting Nylander in that position? Or is it a combination of all the above (which I believe I had mentioned earlier)?
You're the one making a ridiculous comparison. An empty net is not equal to a goaltender in the net. A goaltender in the net is not the same thing as a goaltender playing out of his mind in a small sample.Come on, you can do better than that.
Comparing players based on tiny sample sizes against vastly different opponent quality is pretty ridiculous.Marner is certainly not better in the playoffs.
Quite the contrary.I think some (cough) overrate our guys and underrate players on other teams.
Right - ya, the stats don't support your narrative. Got it.Comparing players based on tiny sample sizes against vastly different opponent quality is pretty ridiculous.
Quite the contrary.
i think you mean DubasI was very pleased when we hired Shanahan. However, results matter. 3 straight 1st round exits as well as missing the playoffs/not getting past the “play-in round” this year. Defensive issues, signing Tavares AND giving the other three those high contracts causing us to be tight against the cap. Shanahan has to bear some of the blame.
id love to see a poll on the main boards who is the better player, and a better value and see the results without homer glasses on... bet you would be surprised Marner vs Aho found one from 2019They were 25th, and GAA is not defense. It is defense and goaltending.
CA? Last.
FA? Last.
SA? 2nd last.
xGA? Last.
SCA? 3rd last.
HDCA? Last.
That's how.
How does that average out per game played?Marner is certainly not better in the playoffs.
2020 playoffs
Aho - 8 points, #2 overall
Marner - 4 points, #36 overall
Career playoffs
Aho - 20 points, in 2 years (and he's still playing)
Marner - 21 points, in 4 years (he's out of the playoffs ..... again .....)
I think some (cough) overrate our guys and underrate players on other teams. Best to remove the homer glasses.
21 points in 25 Games for Marner playoffsHow does that average out per game played?
We still have a solid roster, but Dubas needs to think long and hard about moving Nylander/Marner(should be Marner). Also we need another starter.
Add a couple kids on the back end and add another Muzzin type defender. Reshape the bottom 6 a bit. There is decent work to do, but the talent is still clearly there.
Aho, teams #1c and no forward depth to offer shelter,,no team has to decide between Ahos or another line to shut down21 points in 25 Games for Marner playoffs
20 points in 18 games for Aho playoffs
Lou brought in Andersen. That will buy Dubas another seasonYup and he doesn't have any of Lou's leftovers to deal with. No more excuses for Dubas. He needs to get it done right.
Rielly at 5m that's Lou also,right?Lou brought in Andersen. That will buy Dubas another season
You make me laugh. Goals against don't count???They were 25th, and GAA is not defense. It is defense and goaltending.
CA? Last. No 3rd last
FA? Last. No 27th
SA? 2nd last. No 23rd
xGA? Last. No 28th
SCA? 3rd last. No 25th
HDCA? Last. 3rd last
That's how.
It didn't go over my head. It's just a bad example that intentionally ignores what was being said.
Stop misrepresenting the things I say.
Then there should be no confusion about the fact that it's the playoffs.
I follow your train of thought, but I just think you've set the bar very high with finishing top-two in their division AND winning at least two rounds in the playoffs more often than not.
I looked at the most recent Stanley Cup champions pre-cup records as follows:
St. Louis won the Cup in 2018-19, finishing second in their division that year. Previously, they finished second and won two rounds in 2015-16, and haven't done that before or since 2009-10 when I began my search. In 2017-18 they finished fifth in their division and missed the playoffs. In 2016-17 they finished third and won the first round and lost in the second. From 2012-13 to 2014-15 they finished first or second and lost in the first round three straight years. Probably lots of gnashing of teeth, as they didn't come close to your true contender status.
Washington won the Cup in 2017-18, having finished first in their division. Prior to that, I don't think they had ever advanced beyond the second round of the playoffs -- and certainly not since 2009-10. No luck there. They weren't your true contenders either.
Pittsburgh won back-to-back Cups in 2015-16 and 2016-17, finishing second in their division each year. Prior to that, going back to 2009-10, they met your standard only once, in 2012-13 when they finished first in their division and lost in the third round - Conference Finals. In between that year and their Cup championships, in 2014-15 they finished fourth and lost in the first round; and in 2013-14 finished first and lost in the second round. Before that they finished first or second three years in a row, and lost in the second round once and the first round twice. Closer, but no cigar.
Chicago I think does come pretty close to meeting your definition of a true contender from their Cup championships from 2009-10 through their later Cup championships in 2012-13 and 2014-15. In between their last two Cups, they finished third and lost in the third round in 2013-14; and in 2010-11 and 2011-12 finished third or fourth in their division and lost both times in the first round. Their three Cup championships and one Conference Finals loss in six years definitely makes them a contender, but even at that the only seasons they actually met your very high criteria were their actual Cup championship years -- but three in six does it every time.
Now were getting more dated with LA, Boston, and I looked at Tampa even though they don't have a Cup within the past 10 years. None of them meet your standards.
Boston met the mark three times -- in 2018-19 they finished second in their division and lost in the Stanley Cup finals; in 2012-13 they finished second and lost in the Cup finals; and in 2010-11 they finished first and won the Stanley Cup. Very impressive, but in the five years from 2013-14 to 2017-18 they missed the playoffs twice, finished fourth twice, second once and first once; and lost in the first round once and the second round twice in the years they did make the playoffs. They have won two rounds three times in the past ten years, and don't meet your standards of a true contender.
I think you get the drift and there's no need to continue. Chicago comes the closest, and none others reach the bar.
I understand what you mean, but I think that what you meant is probably not exactly what you said.
I would also say that pretty much every team that wins the Stanley Cup has its' own tale of repeated disappointments before that, and it's not at all unusual for success to follow repeated failures.
If and when the Leafs win it will be no different for them.
Here's all I have to say: if your team's identity is to dump all your chips in on offense, and you can't crack a simple defensive structure employed by a middle of the pack team, the entire premise of your team is invalid. The Toronto Maple Leafs are a failure at a fundamental level.
The 2018/19 Blue Jackets are a completely different team than the 2019/20 version. Comparing them year-over-year is basically pointless.
The fact is Toronto scored 3 even strength goals versus Columbus over the course of 5 games. That is disgraceful.
Tampa already has 2 and the first game isn't even over yet.
Got this from the NBC website & Wiki said the same thing:
Qualifying Round: The remaining 8 teams play best-of-5 series to advance to the First Round (playoff overtime rules in effect).
So, NBC is making the distinction between the "Qualifying Round" and the "First Round of the playoffs".
If it was the First Round of the playoffs, then why don't they just call the First Round of the playoffs versus the term they are actually using which is "Qualifying Round"?
Didn't he change roughly half the starting D from the 2018 opener to 2019? Aren't half our top 4 UFAs who aren't expected back?
I think he means half our top 4 D.Who are the 4 UFAs
I think he means half our top 4 D.
Muzzin - Barrie (UFA)
Rielly - Ceci (UFA)
Half our Top 4 D, so two D - Barrie and CeciWho are the 4 UFAs
No, the stats are from a tiny sample, and the difference is one player playing against the worst defensive team in the league, and the other playing against the best defensive team in the league and a goaltender on an insane run. Those 3 games under wildly different conditions don't erase the much more significant and equal sample where Marner is clearly better than Aho. Playoff stats have never been very good for comparing players.Right - ya, the stats don't support your narrative.
Uh.. You didn't even respond to the right post. I don't care what polls say.id love to see a poll on the main boards who is the better player, and a better value and see the results without homer glasses on...
Goals against count. They do not represent "defense". Goaltending is a major factor in GA.Goals against don't count???
My stats were correct.Also you can't even get your stats correct.
Yes, the NYR were the worst defensive team in the league this year.Were they the worst in the league?
The only people that decide explicitly say it's the playoffs in the only place that matters.They do not say it's the playoffs.
It doesn't contradict my claim at all. You knew exactly what I meant, so you intentionally provided an example that didn't make sense with a sample size of 1.Standard tactic for you - you don't like the example because it contradicts what you claim.
There is nothing else that suggests the playoffs starts now. There is one official statement. The one official statement says that the cup qualifiers were the playoffs. That's all that matters, no matter how much you complain about the NHL's official position.It's amusing the way you keep ignoring everything that suggests that the playoffs only started now.
Rielly played the same number of games as Hamilton and Pesce played more games than Muzzin. I don't see what's so special about what they've done, and that's with a ton of money spent on defense depth, some of it wasted.
Yeah, and they sucked.
Hedman missed like 3 games... Stamkos didn't miss more than the likes of Marner.
They were.
Most teams do not play through injuries to the extent that our key players did this season.
There isn't really blame to place for a low-percentage shot that goes off a stick and then the post and in.
Nylander did go back to cover the point. The shot wasn't from the boards, so why would he be engaged along the boards? Why wouldn't Keefe play Nylander in an elinination game?
You're the one making a ridiculous comparison. An empty net is not equal to a goaltender in the net. A goaltender in the net is not the same thing as a goaltender playing out of his mind in a small sample.