mercury
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This is a weird conversation. Non-garbage veteran blueline help was a Flyers need. A guy like Gusev really wasn't. The Devils made a good move for a guy they think they needed. The Flyers did the same.
Braun, Gusev, Shaw, Burakovsky, Fox
sheesh
Plus all the young D men, It just seemed like Braun or Dillons time to go.Realistically Braun was playing 10 minutes a night.
Our projected pairings are:
Simek-Burns
Vlasic-Karlsson
Dillon-XXX
There is no reason to pay your 3rd pairing 7M. We actually have enough to pay Braun after the Labanc contract but there is no reason to invest in something that is going to have so little impact on the season. Regardless of how much cap space we have, we needed to move him.
Realistically Braun was playing 10 minutes a night.
what? was just talking about the "2nd and 3rd rounder" being popular to trade for a player these days is all.
10 minutes is probably an exaggeration, and I agree Braun is a strong player, but I was going off Burns and Karlsson being 25 minute a night guys, leaving 10-15 for the third RD. Obviously, assuming everyone stays healthy for the year is a poor assumption so he would provide lots of value there.Braun averaged over 20 minutes a game last season. Just over 21 in the playoffs. DW isn’t done with the Sharks roster. That’s why Jumbo and Patty aren’t signed yet. Braun was 100% a salary cap casualty. If we had the space, he would still be a Shark. This was a good move by Philly.
Braun averaged over 20 minutes a game last season. Just over 21 in the playoffs. DW isn’t done with the Sharks roster. That’s why Jumbo and Patty aren’t signed yet. Braun was 100% a salary cap casualty. If we had the space, he would still be a Shark. This was a good move by Philly.
People don't realize how fast the value drop off of draft picks is. If 1st overall is 100%, 2nd overall is usually about 60% most years, and you are usually down to about 10% of that value at pick number 10. The majority of players drafted in 2nd round will statistically never play a significant role in the NHL. A 2nd and a 3rd for somebody who can jump in immediately, play a season or two and probably make a positive impact for an NHL team is a steal. If Vegas and SJ weren't in cap hell they wouldn't have let go of these players for so little.
Yea I mean I’d still rather have Gusev over Braun but that’s just bc of the potential. That said, you can’t really give examples like Panarin. There are many examples of this failing miserably. The flyers have gone the “best player not in the NHL route”. Didn’t work at all.
And I think the playoffs have shown year after year that guys like Braun win you rounds. It goes without saying, but you have guys like ghost and sanhiem around him. But you still need that kind of D. Panarin was great and all but he got cbus one playoff round. Even when he was with the hawks, you have to like their D as the reason they won. Tampa still can’t win - who do they get luke schenn.
guys like Gusev don’t win you playoff rounds.
Yes, there are examples of KHL players failing miserably. That's why it's probably not good to say something like "players like Gusev automatically score 80 points and win you playoff rounds."
However, nobody said that. What you said was this:
Seeing as Gusev's KHL production is superior to Panarin's when he came over, and guys like Panarin unquestionably win you playoff rounds, there's certainly a chance that a guy like Gusev could be the difference between winning and losing a playoff round. There is significantly more evidence, such as Gusev's estimated scoring rate through tools like NHLe, to suggest that guys like Gusev do win you playoff rounds.
At this stage of their careers, given every single factor we know - age, traditional aging curves, style of play, NHL scoring rates, NHL estimated scoring rates, style of play, estimated WAR, etc. - I think it's probably safer to suggest that Gusev is much more likely to win playoff rounds for his team than Braun is.
You realize Gusev is almost the same age as Panarin and Panarin's last KHL season was 5 years ago. When Gusev was the same age he scored 14 points in 27 KHL games.
This dood knows.
One of those rare times I think both teams win- Philly wins a bit more, but Sharks got what they could and just hope one of those picks pans out.
That's wrong.
Panarin's final KHL season was 2014-2015, where Gusev scored 37 points in 55 games.
Yeah, Gusev is like 8 months younger, so you can either compare that one to Panarin's final KHL season (62 points in 54 games) or Gusev's next season where he scored 49 in 55 (I didnt notice that he got traded mid season the 14 in 23 was from his first team that year). Either way, Gusev produced less at the same age as Panarin. So while I think Gusev will likely be a decent top 6 forward this season I don't expect him to be on the same level that Panarin was when he came over, let alone now.
I'll make a mental note to keep track of them over the season, should be a fun experiment. Out of the group right now I'd maybe take the gamble on Gusev but long term I think Fox was probably the best value
I wish Fletcher would have the same common sense as you do. Such a minimal impact trading for 2 older, again, expensive for no reason defensemen.Realistically Braun was playing 10 minutes a night.
Our projected pairings are:
Simek-Burns
Vlasic-Karlsson
Dillon-XXX
There is no reason to pay your 3rd pairing 7M. We actually have enough to pay Braun after the Labanc contract but there is no reason to invest in something that is going to have so little impact on the season. Regardless of how much cap space we have, we needed to move him.
I wish Fletcher would have the same common sense as you do. Such a minimal impact trading for 2 older, again, expensive for no reason defensemen.