Simmonds Expected AAV

[Magua]

Okay then if we put him up on the trade market you would probably be asking for a first in 19 and in 20 to keep the pipe line full then ? yes this is a question

We aren’t getting two 1sts. One 1st and a slight plus might be the best we can do now.

But I don’t expect them to trade him unless something else develops. If they keep him this season to transition, fine. I just don’t want them to keep him to re-sign him.

 

[eramosat]

Now THIS! This is a topic you can really sink your teeth into...sooo many angles to play.

I have no firm opinion one way or another but it is definitely one that can make/break Ron et al's plan.

I have high hopes for a Cup in the next 5 years, even at the ~3% per annum odds. Result of Simmer's treatment is a fundamental factor, he could be a huge factor, or his value in trade might be the similar.

When pushed? I would vote, keep him. Last year was the first time fans showed any doubt in him, and he was injured. I think he'll continue to impress, even with significant role changes. And the $$ simply won't prohibit any other moves...Flyers are so far away from flirting the cap edge now. As long as the young dee continue to get he job done...and as always, one of the cheap ELC goalies can step into a f/t role...THAT's way more important than Simmer's contract itself.

 

[Tripod]

And then in 2 years when Allison and O'Brien can't get top 9 ice time because an overpaid Simmonds is there?

By God, if he is re-signed, had better not have any NMC.

 

[deadhead]

If JVR couldn't get a NMC, Simmonds won't get one. Voracek didn't get one.
Hextall doesn't give them out.
And with the ED on the horizon, forget it.

 

[Tripod]

I am more concerned with losing a Dman for the ES as opposed to a F.

I feel like we have top 6 prospects in the pipeline, but not top 4 dmen anymore....excluding Myers because he makes the 4th Dman in our future core.

 

[Freddy The Fog]

Starting to think the ED is the primary reason players that deserve to be in the NHL over some of the dreck we play ow...aren't.

 

[1865]

So he’s not getting traded then. Ugh.

 

[Petr Svoboda Mullet]

So he’s not getting traded then. Ugh.

??

 

[flyersfan187]

No reason to trade him now with signing JVR. Hextall will probably look at the trading deadline whether this team will be a contender or not and decide to trade him or let him walk and get his huge deal in the off-season.

 

[1865]

??

Seems like Hex made it clear that we’re trying to extend him. Going for shorter term and more dollars than vice versa.

 

[Sawdalite]

Seems like Hex made it clear that we’re trying to extend him. Going for shorter term and more dollars than vice versa.

It's possible to go heavy on Signing Bonuses and frontload... as much as is allowed under current CBA with no Trade Clauses, and have Simmonds get his big Cash and long Term... but give Flyers the ability to trade him, if desired due to tail off... to a Small Market Team, ala Hossa.

Would cost Comcast Cash and lesser Players, but give Flyers Simmonds at a Cap fair to both, but still have the short-term benefit, if needed... flexibilty with a real good Player on the Ice, who is also huge in the Room as well as the Community.

This also allows Simmonds to play here, as he desires... for the money he'd demand, less any Hometown Discount.

... Just a thought.

 

[Tripod]

It's possible to go heavy on Signing Bonuses and frontload... as much as is allowed under current CBA with no Trade Clauses, and have Simmonds get his big Cash and long Term... but give Flyers the ability to trade him, if desired due to tail off... to a Small Market Team, ala Hossa.

Would cost Comcast Cash and lesser Players, but give Flyers Simmonds at a Cap fair to both, but still have the short-term benefit, if needed... flexibilty with a real good Player on the Ice, who is also huge in the Room as well as the Community.

This also allows Simmonds to play here, as he desires... for the money he'd demand, less any Hometown Discount.

... Just a thought.

That still does not fix the issue of paying your already 3rd line RW, 1st line money.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

It's possible to go heavy on Signing Bonuses and frontload... as much as is allowed under current CBA with no Trade Clauses, and have Simmonds get his big Cash and long Term... but give Flyers the ability to trade him, if desired due to tail off... to a Small Market Team, ala Hossa.

Would cost Comcast Cash and lesser Players, but give Flyers Simmonds at a Cap fair to both, but still have the short-term benefit, if needed... flexibilty with a real good Player on the Ice, who is also huge in the Room as well as the Community.

This also allows Simmonds to play here, as he desires... for the money he'd demand, less any Hometown Discount.

... Just a thought.

I’m sure it will be back loaded as much as possible as most big contracts by the Flyers are. But it doesn’t make the sizable difference that it used to as you’re still paying multi-millions on the end of the contract now. You’re not seeing $1M-500K type payouts on the end of contracts like Hossa, Pronger, etc. all those pre-2013 CBA contracts.

Hextall hasn’t given out trade or movement protection to this point & I don’t think that’s going to change with Simmonds. He’s been doing it since he was in LA where they didn’t give them out either opting to pay a little more in term/money instead to keep movement flexibility open.

As for signing bonuses you can’t go too heavy on them even from a GM standpoint because it makes buyouts harder as you can’t buyout signing bonus money. So you really don’t want to go heavy on the signing bonuses with aging players either as it hurts you buyout flexibility. JVR only got $5M of his contract in signing bonuses for example.

 

[David St Hubbins]

As much as Simmonds has meant to the club, it would be foolish to lock in with him for extended term. More than 2 years, MAYBE 3, would be a problem.
And for as much as this team may mean to Simmonds, it would be foolish of him to not take care of his financial future in this last, real contract of his career.

Someone will offer a JVR type contract. It should (will?) not be the Flyers. And Wayne should/will take it.

As to trading him now, there is one major difference between me and Hextall - ignoring his fame and fortune and my stunningly great looks - and that is he need s to find out whether Hakstol can take this team to the next level. He now has a team to prove he can do it, and is in the penultimate year of his contract. Hextall will not trade Simmonds unless the team falls apart, at which point Hakstol has punched his ticket out of here, but Hak will be given the opportunity to show that he can do with a young, promising and somewhat established d, a solid set of forwards, and a mediocre goaltending tandem.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

I don’t think he’s getting traded at this point. If he’s on the open night roster I think it’s basically two scenarios being either he’s extended or he walks as a UFA. The Flyers should be in the thick of it by the deadline & I doubt they’ll view Simmonds as an expandable piece at that point especially since the return very likely would be draft picks.

 

[David St Hubbins]

Scenario 3: team underachieves and they trade him at the deadline to a contender.

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

Scenario 3: team underachieves and they trade him at the deadline to a contender.

I just don’t see it. They should be in the playoff race around the deadline unless they get hit hard with injuries of course.

 

[Deadpool8812]

I just don’t see it. They should be in the playoff race around the deadline unless they get hit hard with injuries of course.

they could definitely underachieve

 

[LegionOfDoom91]

they could definitely underachieve

To the point where they’d be sellers at the deadline? Hextall hasn’t sold a significant piece in season since his first year with Coburn & Timonen. He even justified it by saying he only did it because they were both injured leading up to that point & the playoffs was still the goal.

I just don’t see it. I’m not saying they’re going to be a great team or even a lock to make the playoffs but they’ll probably be a fringe team again like they’ve been for years now. So I don’t see Hextall subtracting Simmonds in season.

 

[David St Hubbins]

With a poor pk, spotty gaoltending (I.e., Elliott burned out from overuse) and surrendered points in close games (hakshell), they could go to a bubble team quickly. That’s Just counting the damage from inept coaching.

Toss in sophomore jinx for Patrick and a key injury or 2 and I think it’s a realistic possibility. Not the likeliest scenario, but on a par with finishing top 2 in Metro.

 

[Deadpool8812]

To the point where they’d be sellers at the deadline? Hextall hasn’t sold a significant piece in season since his first year with Coburn & Timonen. He even justified it by saying he only did it because they were both injured leading up to that point & the playoffs was still the goal.

I just don’t see it. I’m not saying they’re going to be a great team or even a lock to make the playoffs but they’ll probably be a fringe team again like they’ve been for years now. So I don’t see Hextall subtracting Simmonds in season.

They have all the makings of a team that could underachieve: bad special teams (especially their PK), inconsistent goaltending, lots of young players, a potentially bad bottom-6, a coach that makes a lot of questionable roster decisions

 

[Flyerfan13]

I choose to be optimistic I guess in thinking a healthy Patrick has a better season, adding jvr's goal scoring to the second line, upgrading from manning to folin,having konecny on the top line all season,having lindblom as 3lw all year,putting sanheim with a steady partner all year, that we will be a better team . Of course some of this may not happen.

 

[BringBackHakstol]

they could definitely underachieve

You have to be pretty bad to be out of it at the deadline.

 

[Rebels57]

I choose to be optimistic I guess in thinking a healthy Patrick has a better season, adding jvr's goal scoring to the second line, upgrading from manning to folin,having konecny on the top line all season,having lindblom as 3lw all year,putting sanheim with a steady partner all year, that we will be a better team . Of course some of this may not happen.

Yeah, there's no reason this team isn't even better in 18-19; even with Simple Hak and the Disorderlies as as our coaching staff.

 

[deadhead]

If they could reach 98 points with a total goalie meltdown (Mrazak 6-6-3 .891), then have a healthy Patrick, Lindblom for a full season, Sanheim and Myers etc., anything under 100 points this season would be a disappointment.