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Yeah has Weber ever lost a board battle lol? The only time I remember is with Zetterberg when he just smashed his face into the boards lol.Love the way he can just end the opposing teams cycle dead in the tracks.
Yeah has Weber ever lost a board battle lol? The only time I remember is with Zetterberg when he just smashed his face into the boards lol.Love the way he can just end the opposing teams cycle dead in the tracks.
After Zetts checked him from behind... watch the complete sequence. In any case, Weber is one of the few defensive players in the NHL that can make an opposing team wish they played “nice” after contributing offensively.Yeah has Weber ever lost a board battle lol? The only time I remember is with Zetterberg when he just smashed his face into the boards lol.
I forgot how a top pair dman is supposed to look like. He just does many things better than any of the other dmen in the lineup, including holding the offensive blueline, the shot, and creating loose pucks in the defensive zone.
Its really apparent the difference between having Weber as your number 1 vs Petry both in terms of offense and defense. Weber is always a threat out there and is one of our only defenseman who seems to be able to get a good shot off from the point.
He had a good season in his first year as a Hab. He was red hot for 6 weeks and then played well.Just meant he was not going through the motions in 2016-17.
I'm not turning sour on Weber. I was sour on him because we lost a much better player to get him but since then I've been neutral toward the guy. He had a good season his first year as a Hab but it wasn't anything we haven't seen before, Subban had a better year just the season prior, before our very eyes - so it was a direct downgrade.You might be more alone than you think in turning sour on Weber. The trade should be separate from the player
My bad, I seriously thought it was until he's 42. His bday is Aug 1985, so his contract ends right toward the end of his 40th year.Nope. He is signed till he is 40, not 42. His contract is designed for him to retire at after his age 37 season where the last 3 years are only $1M in salary. Zetterberg and Hossa didn't play those $1M contract years, Weber will probably not as well. Insisting that he will and also that he will be a burden is going against the norm on circumventing contracts.
Just because you want to say it is BS doesn't make it so. Plenty of good players hit a wall in their 30s. The NHL is more geared toward speed than ever before. The real problem isn't that he's signed for those 1m years 37-40, it's how he'll play from 34-37 at a 7.85m caphit. For the last few years of his deal we all assume he'll retire or go on LTIR, fine, but what if his play deteriorates prior to that? Oh well, he used to have an aura! You should've seen that time he might've maybe broken part of a goalie's stick with his slapshot that missed the net in a 3-1 home loss... stuff of legend right there!!$7.8M cap hit from Weber at age 33-36/37 is very good value. This whole rapid decline BS is exactly that... BS! Weber will be fine from today till age 37. If Hainsey can do what he is doing at age 37, So can Weber. Of course we would expect some decline but were talking about minuscule amounts here. Weber's game is not build on speed and never was. And he is not getting dramitically weaker from age 33-37.
Okay. His tally is still literally within the margin of the winner and runner-up. 33 journalists clearly didn't think much of his qualifications to win the Norris. If you want to celebrate not-winning, or "winning" 6th place you'd fit right in with the current Habs pro-management crowd if you're not in already.33 journalists had him in top 5 though...
Okay. His tally is still literally within the margin of the winner and runner-up. 33 journalists clearly didn't think much of his qualifications to win the Norris. If you want to celebrate not-winning, or "winning" 6th place you'd fit right in with the current Habs pro-management crowd if you're not in already.
Scoring 50 is an objective measure. Slobs like Engles voting Weber in their top3 is a subjective measure. It's clear he was under a lot more scrutiny following the trade, it's also clear he won the October Norris so many voters had their impression already made. Weber could very well have been the 6th best d-man that year but it's an essentially meaningless rank. By that tally, he was closer to being the 90th best d-man than even 3rd (or 4th).You’ve missed the point. He played good enough to rank 6th.
If a player scores 50 goals but doesn’t win rocket does it mean his performance was meaningless?
Weber was not close to a Norris win, I never suggested he was. I’m just saying he played well enough to be among top D men in the league. That’s a good thing.
Scoring 50 is an objective measure. Slobs like Engles voting Weber in their top3 is a subjective measure. It's clear he was under a lot more scrutiny following the trade, it's also clear he won the October Norris so many voters had their impression already made. Weber could very well have been the 6th best d-man that year but it's an essentially meaningless rank. By that tally, he was closer to being the 90th best d-man than even 3rd (or 4th).
Never. He's never lost a board battle. He can also make the puck miss the net just by staring at it from the bench.Yeah has Weber ever lost a board battle lol? The only time I remember is with Zetterberg when he just smashed his face into the boards lol.
These are your words:Subban finished 3rd last year but closer to 90th than 1st. All pointless!
Sounds ridiculous. The voting system rewards 1st overall ballots more which is fine but Weber still finished 6th.
I am unsure why you’re acting so petty about it. I never said he was challenging for the Norris. You just imply he might as well have been 90th since it was so close to that. It’s a pointless and childish argument. 33 top 5 votes ain’t bad. 6th place ain’t bad. It’s not the winner but I’d be happy our player received some recognition for his work.
Most people recognize the Norris finalists. It's a consensus tally. Generally the top2 are consensus Norris picks with a 3rd "darkhorse". If you follow hockey closely you'd recognize this and not argue that 6th place Norris finalist is at all celebrated or even mentioned by anyone but us hockey obsessed weirdos.Why is it meaningless? Because you're not first? Why not say anyone besides 1st is meaningless because no one recognizes 2nd place Norris finishes.
What does matter is 1 person named him best, 6 named him 3rd best, 10 4th best and 16 5th best. Doesn't amount to a ton of voting points but it certainly is a positive to be recognized.
His aura makes it soNever. He's never lost a board battle. He can also make the puck miss the net just by staring at it from the bench.
Honestly, I'd sign this and admit as much too. Totally agreed. He's better than he was in his last year with Nashville for sure. I hope he continues on without major injuries and we enjoy him for years to come. I wouldn't trade him, his value to the Habs (even the rebuilding Habs) is higher than his value on the market.I have to admit that he is much better than I thought when we got him. Bergevin should have still got good assets back due to the age and contract difference.
I wouldn't look at it that way.Honestly, I'd sign this and admit as much too. Totally agreed. He's better than he was in his last year with Nashville for sure. I hope he continues on without major injuries and we enjoy him for years to come. I wouldn't trade him, his value to the Habs (even the rebuilding Habs) is higher than his value on the market.
This year the Habs are a low-level pretender. If the defense tightens up and Price plays like an NHL goalie and the offense continues, the Habs are a playoff team. I'll never advocate selling key players in a playoff year. It hurts morale and hurts youngsters more than the return - and often key players sold for a package are greater than the sum of their (counter)-parts. Pacioretty trade being a shocking exception.I wouldn't look at it that way.
Will the Habs contend in the next couple of years? If not, to me, they're better off trading him.
I don't think we will be contenders in the next 2-3 years at least, so I'd move him without question.
So glad we got rid of PK for this monster. Love Shea
Everyone's expectations has been so low for the Habs this season MB will use it to tell everyone they were a pleasant surprise and this season was a sign of great things to come....This year the Habs are a low-level pretender. If the defense tightens up and Price plays like an NHL goalie and the offense continues, the Habs are a playoff team. I'll never advocate selling key players in a playoff year. It hurts morale and hurts youngsters more than the return - and often key players sold for a package are greater than the sum of their (counter)-parts. Pacioretty trade being a shocking exception.
What do you think happens if the Habs sputter out this year? Will they try to compete again next year or will they sell-off to increase their odds of getting Alexis Lafreniere?
What do you think happens if the Habs lose in the first round this year? The second round? If the Habs make a deeper run, I think they will sign FAs in the off-season. Anything below that is hard to determine. I have no idea what goes on in Bergevin's head or Molson's for that matter.
What has ''fighting for the POs'' gotten us in the past 25 years? I don't care about making the POs for the sake of it. As I said many times before, it's all depends on the situation. Not every team is in the same boat.This year the Habs are a low-level pretender. If the defense tightens up and Price plays like an NHL goalie and the offense continues, the Habs are a playoff team. I'll never advocate selling key players in a playoff year. It hurts morale and hurts youngsters more than the return - and often key players sold for a package are greater than the sum of their (counter)-parts. Pacioretty trade being a shocking exception.
Depends. We drafting Hughes? Did we sell Weber? Petry? Byron? What is the return?What do you think happens if the Habs sputter out this year? Will they try to compete again next year or will they sell-off to increase their odds of getting Alexis Lafreniere?
Nothing. Nothing will happen. Just as it hasn't the past 25 years.What do you think happens if the Habs lose in the first round this year? The second round? If the Habs make a deeper run, I think they will sign FAs in the off-season. Anything below that is hard to determine. I have no idea what goes on in Bergevin's head or Molson's for that matter.
What do you think happens if the Habs sputter out this year? Will they try to compete again next year or will they sell-off to increase their odds of getting Alexis Lafreniere?
What do you think happens if the Habs lose in the first round this year? The second round?.
What has ''fighting for the POs'' gotten us in the past 25 years? I don't care about making the POs for the sake of it.
With most hockey players it's all they know. Being in rehab while you're missing games is pretty boring I bet.
Why is it meaningless? Because you're not first? Why not say anyone besides 1st is meaningless because no one recognizes 2nd place Norris finishes.
What does matter is 1 person named him best, 6 named him 3rd best, 10 4th best and 16 5th best. Doesn't amount to a ton of voting points but it certainly is a positive to be recognized.
I'm thinking the same. Day and night compared to everyone else.
Meh, that's cinderella talk man.I understand where you are coming from but considering that in two of the past three seasons, the team literally did not "fight" for anything at all in their games, embarrassing this franchise and its loyal fans to no end, hustle and pride and fight is a most welcome improvement! Without that fight and pride, all the top draft picks in the world will get you nowhere.
Meh, that's cinderella talk man.
I agree, the team was dull. The team isn't now, which is great, doesn't mean we have to become dull again if we trade away Weber for a top 5 pick. But even if it did, I don't care if that is part of the plan in getting us high end talent.
Nothing is acheived without some hardship. So if we have to suck a couple of more years so we can end up a legit contender. So be it.