#Senswatch, Sixth Edition: Now Introducing #Avswatch

[cgf]

We haven't squandered any top picks or talent. Mostly because we can't draft well enough to actually pick anyone past the top 10.

We've picked, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th & 10th...twice, 1 of which is probably the best 10th overall pick of the century...and lucked into a 1C & top pairing blueliner in the 2nd round to kick off the "rebuild". After all of that, we have exactly three 1st round exists in a decade to show for it and have yet to convince a top line Center we've drafted to stay into his UFA years since Sakic retired.

So we really don't get to talk shit here. Edmonton may be even pathetic than us over the past decade, but it is embarrassing that we've squandered so much talent that it's come to using that defense.

 

[AvsFan29]

We've picked, 1st, 2nd, 3rd, 4th & 10th...twice, 1 of which is probably the best 10th overall pick of the century...and lucked into a 1C & top pairing blueliner in the 2nd round to kick off the "rebuild". After all of that, we have exactly three 1st round exists in a decade to show for it and have yet to convince a top line Center we've drafted to stay into his UFA years since Sakic retired.

So we really don't get to talk **** here. Edmonton may be even pathetic than us over the past decade, but it is embarrassing that we've squandered so much talent that it's come to using that defense.

Our 1st and 3rd were great, our second (Duchene) didn't pan out as expected.

Our 4th hasn't played a game yet. One of our 10th picks is arguably one of the best, but the other 10th looks like a bust.

Edmonton picked:

10th / 1st / 1st / 1st / 7th / 3rd / 1st / 4th / 22nd / 10th

No team in the history of the game has come close to getting that much lottery luck. They changed the system because of it.

You can't compare the 2

 

[rmthomson21]

We haven't squandered any top picks or talent. Mostly because we can't draft well enough to actually pick anyone past the top 10.

Currently squandering everyone on the roster, and I consider some of them to be quite talented

 

[AvsFan29]

Currently squandering everyone on the roster, and I consider some of them to be quite talented

Not having playoff success this year isn't squandering talent. 2 years from now, if we don't have success, yeah it will absolutely be squandering our talent. This is the last year Sakic can sit on his ass.

 

[Pokecheque]

This year is a failure no matter how you cut it. Whether they can parlay that failure into future success remains to be seen, but it's an abject failure nonetheless, and one they weren't fully prepared for.

But yes, if Joe "stays the course" this offseason, then this organization will never, ever rise above mediocrity.

 

[AvsFan29]

This year is a failure no matter how you cut it. Whether they can parlay that failure into future success remains to be seen, but it's an abject failure nonetheless, and one they weren't fully prepared for.

But yes, if Joe "stays the course" this offseason, then this organization will never, ever rise above mediocrity.

You can't say that lol "staying the course" means 2 top picks. You don't know who we will be drafting.

 

[Pokecheque]

You can't say that lol "staying the course" means 2 top picks. You don't know who we will be drafting.

I'll say it again, I don't think they were prepared for failure of this magnitude any more than they were prepared for the 48-point season two years ago. When I hear Sakic say "stay the course" I can't help but wonder if there's any "course" to begin with. There are still way, way too many people working below him who have been given multiple passes for multiple years of failure.

 

[AvsFan29]

I'll say it again, I don't think they were prepared for failure of this magnitude any more than they were prepared for the 48-point season two years ago. When I hear Sakic say "stay the course" I can't help but wonder if there's any "course" to begin with. There are still way, way too many people working below him who have been given multiple passes for multiple years of failure.

You said the organization will "never, ever, rise above mediocrity".

Anyone who knows anything about hockey, looks at our team, and sees an up-and-coming contender.

Could Sakic royally screw it up? It's possible.

Could we get terrible luck in the draft? It's possible.

Will staying the course result in disaster? No, it's not likely.

Our prospect pool could just be too good to fail. If we add a top 3 pick, and a top 7 pick, this team will be amazing to watch. I look forward to it.

 

[AvsFan29]

With Ottawa's luck, one of them will get injured

 

[Foppberg]

Drafting is funny. We've definitely whiffed quite a few times, but at a point you have to wonder if it's more of a development issue than a drafting one.

 

[Pokecheque]

You said the organization will "never, ever, rise above mediocrity".

Anyone who knows anything about hockey, looks at our team, and sees an up-and-coming contender.

Could Sakic royally screw it up? It's possible.

Could we get terrible luck in the draft? It's possible.

Will staying the course result in disaster? No, it's not likely.

Our prospect pool could just be too good to fail. If we add a top 3 pick, and a top 7 pick, this team will be amazing to watch. I look forward to it.

Well, the sad part is I feel like you kinda HAVE to be right in order for this to work. This is still going to be, and likely always going to be, an organization unwilling to make tough decisions when it comes to personnel, an organization that moves VERY slowly behind the scenes, and one that seems unwilling to spend the resources necessary to truly dominate drafting, development, and coaching.

 

[AvsFan29]

Well, the sad part is I feel like you kinda HAVE to be right in order for this to work. This is still going to be, and likely always going to be, an organization unwilling to make tough decisions when it comes to personnel, an organization that moves VERY slowly behind the scenes, and one that seems unwilling to spend the resources necessary to truly dominate drafting, development, and coaching.

We'll see. Can't really comment until after the draft / free agency. Hoping for a new coach, but who knows

 

[The Abusement Park]

You said the organization will "never, ever, rise above mediocrity".

Anyone who knows anything about hockey, looks at our team, and sees an up-and-coming contender.

Could Sakic royally screw it up? It's possible.

Could we get terrible luck in the draft? It's possible.

Will staying the course result in disaster? No, it's not likely.

Our prospect pool could just be too good to fail. If we add a top 3 pick, and a top 7 pick, this team will be amazing to watch. I look forward to it.

Just like there was no way we could screw it up after 13/14.

 

[cgf]

Our 1st and 3rd were great, our second (Duchene) didn't pan out as expected.

Our 4th hasn't played a game yet. One of our 10th picks is arguably one of the best, but the other 10th looks like a bust.

Edmonton picked:

10th / 1st / 1st / 1st / 7th / 3rd / 1st / 4th / 22nd / 10th

No team in the history of the game has come close to getting that much lottery luck. They changed the system because of it.

You can't compare the 2

If you want to split hairs we also wasted a 10th overall pick (Jost), 11th overall pick (Siemens) & 18th overall pick (Hishon)...but that misses the point. That being that it's sad that we have to look to edmonton to find someone who's done less with more than us. We have accomplished nothing in a decade of tanking regardless of how many false-dawns people have claimed were right-around-the-corner.

 

[AvsFan29]

Just like there was no way we could screw it up after 13/14.

You're right. We're going to screw it up. Sakic is going to draft complete busts, and offer Bednar a 10 year contract.

It's over.

 

[cgf]

You're right. We're going to screw it up. Sakic is going to draft complete busts, and offer Bednar a 10 year contract.

It's over.

The first step to recovery is acceptance.

 

[Ararana]

With Ottawa's luck, one of them will get injured

Now that it's pretty publically confirmed Duchene isn't signing it makes zero sense to play in him in these last three games leading up to the deadline. They're playing for nothing right now, why take unnessecary risk.

 

[AvsFan29]

The first step to recovery is acceptance.

I'm being facetious. All this doom and gloom crap is ridiculous. 2013 has nothing to do with 2019.

 

[The Abusement Park]

You're right. We're going to screw it up. Sakic is going to draft complete busts, and offer Bednar a 10 year contract.

It's over.

I mean that’s been happening for ~10 years now

 

[cgf]

I'm being facetious. All this doom and gloom crap is ridiculous. 2013 has nothing to do with 2019.

You don't say...the only thing ridiculous about looking at our FO's resumé is somehow gaining confidence in their abilities from doing so...

 

[Balthazar]

Now that it's pretty publically confirmed Duchene isn't signing it makes zero sense to play in him in these last three games leading up to the deadline. They're playing for nothing right now, why take unnessecary risk.

It's not confirmed officially.

 

[Pokecheque]

We'll see. Can't really comment until after the draft / free agency. Hoping for a new coach, but who knows

Indeed. I slagged Sakic mercilessly in 2017, and then he shocked the hockey world with the Duchene deal. If little to nothing happens then I have little reason for optimism apart from "Boy I sure hope Cale Makar and that top draft pick are good."

I also think a coaching change needs to happen--a complete and total housecleaning (ideally that would reach farther beyond that, I'd get rid of a LOT of people, but that's just me). I'm not necessarily hating on Bednar, I just think the damage has been done. But as I have said elsewhere, if they're not going to go BIG with their next candidate then a coaching change will do very little.

 

[VikingAv]

Now that it's pretty publically confirmed Duchene isn't signing it makes zero sense to play in him in these last three games leading up to the deadline. They're playing for nothing right now, why take unnessecary risk.

No worries, A Sens player will get injured in the first period and Duchene will sneak off the ice as the other player is being helped.

 

[Avs_19]

You guys are even turning this thread where we talk about Dorion's gift to the Avs, which is currently guaranteed to be a top four pick, into another sky is falling thread? Damn.

Think positive thoughts. Like Jack Hughes on the Avs.

 

[Murzu]

You guys are even turning this thread where we talk about Dorion's gift to the Avs, which is currently guaranteed to be a top four pick, into another sky is falling thread? Damn.

Think positive thoughts. Like Jack Hughes on the Avs.

I'm thinking Kaapo Kakko. M m mm.