Speculation: Scrivens on his way out?

[Mr Positive]

I don't think it's a "risk" more than it is a certainty ... Niemi would be a .890-.900 sv% goalie here.

His numbers have never been spectacular playing on teams that have pretty darn good blue lines.

He's a decent goalie when he has a good team in front of him, his numbers will take a hit coming here, that's pretty much a lock.

It is total exaggeration to call it a certainty. Sometimes it really is on the goalie. Dubnyk didn't work out here but he did put up respectable numbers for years. Buffalo was worse this year than we've ever been but put up some good goalie performances.

I understand that a goalie's numbers will naturally drop off on a worse team. I just want us to get a goalie who actually has succeeded as a starter somewhere in this league. Niemi is not my first choice of who to get either, but I would be okay with getting him because I know that not every option will be open to us.

What do you suggest? Give Neuvirth 1.5 million and call it a day?

 

[Kayen]

Brossoit's goalie coach all thru junior and the guy who pretty much developed him is the same goalie coach that the oilers have now. If that's how he gets his goalies looking - I like it.

Sometimes it's not the goalie coach but the goalie himself. - As a goalie myself, you can fix some aspects to your game, but alot of other factors is largely instinctual that have been ingrained from when you begin.

 

[Spawn]

This team needs Craig Anderson in the worst of ways. Here's to Hammond continuing his uncanny play (20-1-2 in 24 games played, 1.79 GAA .941 sv%... what the ****) into the playoffs, forcing Ottawa's hand into signing him, making Craig Anderson available for trade.

 

[Vagabond]

I hope he's on his way out. Far worse than Dubs at his worst! Scrivs is brutal. Lol I think he was letting some goals in deliberately this season. You can't suck that much can you?

 

[Haggard]

I am surprised daily that people still take Blob Stouffer's opinion seriously. the guy is just a mouth without a brain attached.

 

[Paralyzer008]

Based on Scrivens' splits with Nelson (which were worse than Eakins), I do have worry for him.

I actually think Brossoit should come into training camp with a shot at No.2, and if that's the case then I think Fasth/Scrivens should maybe both be jettisoned so he can compete with two real NHL goalies

I have liked both Fasth and Scrivens at different times but I had way more faith in Dubnyk if we're comparing goalies under the .900 save percentage.

If we keep one of Fasth/Scrivens, the only reason why it isn't a tough call is because of Fasth's contract status.

 

[guymez]

This team needs Craig Anderson in the worst of ways. Here's to Hammond continuing his uncanny play (20-1-2 in 24 games played, 1.79 GAA .941 sv%... what the ****) into the playoffs, forcing Ottawa's hand into signing him, making Craig Anderson available for trade.

Indeed.

That would work out exactly as I had hoped. Anderson would be a great fit for this team providing they upgrade the defence.

I would love to see Ottawa upset Montreal.

 

[Ritchie Valens]

Here are my top 3 UFA goalies available this summer:

Niemi, Ramo, Neuvirth

Hardly a quality list seeing who was out there last year when our GM proclaimed he had goaltending checked off for 2014-15.

If you don't want to lose any type of assets via trade, then try to snag Niemi as I don't think there will be a lot of competition for him. The only teams probably looking for a #1 goalie this summer are: Minny (if they don't resign Dubnyk), maybe Calgary (Ramo is a UFA and Hiller a UFA next year), San Jose (very likely not resigning him) and Buffalo. Taking San Jose & Minny out of the mix, it's probably between the Oilers, Sabres and Flames. He's a 60+ game goalie and is rarely injured that I recall.

Upgrading the goalie by trade, I'd target Anderson out of Ottawa and kick tires on Lehtonen...but have a solid 1B in place because you know he's going to miss 20 games with injuries somewhere (a 1B like Cam Talbot). I want no part of Bernier, I think Toronto took all the confidence he had and put it on Venus. He looks shellshocked to me so imagine him coming to the Oilers. He's be run out of town in pre-season. Some fans here want Ward but not Niemi...career wise, he has an almost identical save percentage (.910) and higher GAA than Niemi and is injured more. That said, he also has 200 more games played than Niemi so that factors in, but I can't see Ward waiving his NTC for Edmonton. I can see him going to San Jose with salary retained sometime this summer though.

 

[KCC]

Dubnyk at his worst was never this bad. Scrivens has EASILY been the worst 'starter' in the league this year.

I don't know about 'gone', but he sure as hell won't be 1A/1B next year. Backup at best, gone at worst.

I disagree. It seemed like every scoring chance was in the back of the net when Dubby struggled. Go back to some older videos and you'll see he was just as bad as Scrivens. But that was because of confidence issues. Scrivens has never had problems with that, he's just not very good. Period.

I am surprised daily that people still take Blob Stouffer's opinion seriously. the guy is just a mouth without a brain attached.

He just gives his opinions. In this instance he's correct. Scrivens isn't a good goalie.

 

[guymez]

I disagree. It seemed like every scoring chance was in the back of the net when Dubby struggled. Go back to some older videos and you'll see he was just as bad as Scrivens. But that was because of confidence issues. Scrivens has never had problems with that, he's just not very good. Period.

This would be wrong.

Scrivens was just fine last season...his numbers were good and he looked completely different from this season. He played with confidence last season...this season he has no confidence.

Scrivens is exhibit B of what this team does to goalies.

 

[Digger12]

If I were Jen Scrivens, I'd be breaking out the moving boxes and getting them ready to go.

That Cassie Campbell interview w/ MacT between periods spoke volumes about the Oilers goaltending plans. Given how Cassie phrased the question, MacT had every opportunity to defend his goalies and talk about how they would have better numbers if they had better team defense in front of him, but he chose not to do so.

Up until recently I always thought the Oilers plans were to keep Scrivens as #2, let Fasth walk and go all in on a proper #1 goalie...now I'm thinking they're both out of here and, once again, the team will be looking at a completely new goaltending tandem to start 15/16.

Who knows, one of these days maybe we'll get lucky and MacT will go into Broken Clock mode and actually be right for once in his life. Sure would be a refreshing change of pace.

 

[StoveTopStauffer]

Dubnyk .894 sv%, 3.36 GA with the Oilers last year

Scrivens .890 sv%, 3.16 GA with the Oilers this year


I'd say it's a wash. This team just sucks.

TBH I wouldn't use this year or last year as a barometer for any goalie save %. Dubnyk was good enough up until Eakins took over.

 

[Hemsky4PM]

Scrivens for Ward. I'd live with that for one season and let Brossoit play 55 in Cali and see where things are at the end of next season. Scrivens would go unclaimed if waived.

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

I think the Dubnyk praise is a little too thick in here considering how many on this board turned their backs on him and wanted him out of town. Part of the blame is entirely on Dubnyk, he got complacent and didn't deliver and after getting traded into a pretty ideal situation to build himself back up in Nashville with one of the better d-cores and one of the best goalie coaches in the league in Mitch Korn, he was labelled by that same goalie coach as stubborn and essentially uncoachable.

It was only when the end of NHL employment was nearly staring him square in the face and he was under the tutelage of quite possibly the best goalie coach in the league, that he refound his game which seemed to be completely lost at that point.

I've always liked Scrivens he showed a lot of pride in wearing the jersey and he seems to be a class act, it felt like with his poor start and the goalie coach getting fired, who he apparently was quite fond of, got him bent out of shape and his entire game suffered. He's had enough history of being a capable back-up that I haven't given up hope for him, a good off-season to get his mind and game right could make all the difference in the world.

I think a lot of weight should be on the opinion of our goalie coach (I know there isn't much track record there but you have to give him an opportunity to fail), Nelson, and what is said in his exit interview and how he feels about things going into next season. If he's going to bring a toxic element/attitude to the dressing room or isn't willing to own the blame for his poor performance and give assurances of atleast the intention to fix things/improve, then we need to move on from him.

 

[TheSpecialist]

MacT has always found a way to shatter his goalies confidence whether he is a coach or GM.

In other words, when it comes to MacT and goalies, he is poison.

 

[ohheyhemsky]

The fact that we're putting a goaltender as a need before our defense boggles my mind. Yeah, Scrivens has been horrible this season, but so will any goalie until we shore up the people in front.

 

[ohheyhemsky]

MacT has always found a way to shatter his goalies confidence whether he is a coach or GM.

In other words, when it comes to MacT and goalies, he is poison.

Yes. MacT personally shatters goalies minds. Tonnes of sense was put into this one.

No, Mact hasn't destroyed our goalies. Yes, his inability to bring a legitimate defense to our team has. We'll always need to address our defense before our goalie and that much should be obvious to everyone here.

Dubnyk is great because he left the complacent environment that the Oilers seemingly deliberately procured for him.

Terrible goalie coach: Check
Either the worst or second worst defense in the league: Check
No semblance of a system, allowing for the most breakaways or off-man chances: Check
Inexperience throughout the line-up: Check

Like ****. You throw a baby to the wolves and tape a knife to his hand and expect him to survive?

 

[Bryanbryoil]

If I were Jen Scrivens, I'd be breaking out the moving boxes and getting them ready to go.

That Cassie Campbell interview w/ MacT between periods spoke volumes about the Oilers goaltending plans. Given how Cassie phrased the question, MacT had every opportunity to defend his goalies and talk about how they would have better numbers if they had better team defense in front of him, but he chose not to do so.

Up until recently I always thought the Oilers plans were to keep Scrivens as #2, let Fasth walk and go all in on a proper #1 goalie...now I'm thinking they're both out of here and, once again, the team will be looking at a completely new goaltending tandem to start 15/16.

Who knows, one of these days maybe we'll get lucky and MacT will go into Broken Clock mode and actually be right for once in his life. Sure would be a refreshing change of pace.

Same here. I'd go after Neuvirth and Lindback if we are strictly going after FA's.

We're talking a 0.924sv% for Lindback since being the guy in Buffalo and a 0.918sv% for Neuvirth in Buffalo. This is a team that was worse than ours yet both guys put up decent numbers and are likely coming into the primes with Neuvirth at 27 years of age and Lindback also soon to be 27.

 

[ohheyhemsky]

LOL. A plan? A plan!?! Seriously?

One of two scenarios will happen next season:
1. We throw a tonne of money at Niemi and he declines, although the figures will be release and we'll openly mock our organization, as we should.
2. We do nothing, and our goalie line-up next season is Scrivens at 1A and Bachman at 1B. Once an injury occurs, Brossoit will be recalled and Bachman will be relegated as Brossoit takes 1A and Scrivens falls into the 1B slot.

We finish 29th, third place wins the draft and we draft Sean Day 3rd overall.

 

[rboomercat90]

If I were Jen Scrivens, I'd be breaking out the moving boxes and getting them ready to go.

That Cassie Campbell interview w/ MacT between periods spoke volumes about the Oilers goaltending plans. Given how Cassie phrased the question, MacT had every opportunity to defend his goalies and talk about how they would have better numbers if they had better team defense in front of him, but he chose not to do so.

Up until recently I always thought the Oilers plans were to keep Scrivens as #2, let Fasth walk and go all in on a proper #1 goalie...now I'm thinking they're both out of here and, once again, the team will be looking at a completely new goaltending tandem to start 15/16.

Who knows, one of these days maybe we'll get lucky and MacT will go into Broken Clock mode and actually be right for once in his life. Sure would be a refreshing change of pace.

It wouldn't surprise me in the least if Mactavish let Fasth walk and then either traded or bought out Scrivens with the intention of grabbing a goalie during free agency only to fail at landing anybody and then being forced to use Bachman and Broissolt.

 

[rboomercat90]

MacT has always found a way to shatter his goalies confidence whether he is a coach or GM.

In other words, when it comes to MacT and goalies, he is poison.

It isn't just goalies, Mactavish has proven himself to be poison to all hockey players.

 

[Burnt Biscuits]

It wouldn't surprise me in the least if Mactavish let Fasth walk and then either traded or bought out Scrivens with the intention of grabbing a goalie during free agency only to fail at landing anybody and then being forced to use Bachman and Broissolt.

Everyone should be skeptical about MacT given his track record to this point, but there are too many quality goalies and not enough starting jobs to be "forced" into a pairing like Bachman and Brossoit right off the bat. Now letting Fasth walk, buying out Scrivens and deciding to let Bachman and Brossoit battle for the back-up job, then going out and acquiring an injury prone goalie like Ward and Lehtonen and once our new starter gets injured we get stuck with a Bachman + Brossoit pairing for the rest of the season, that seems more likely.

 

[Hemsky4PM]

I like the Lindback and Neuvirth suggestion. Watching both play and looking at their stats and ages, they are in the area where they're about to be at career peaks a la Dubnyk and other "breakout" guys in the past like Niemi with Chicago, Osgood with Detroit and NYI, etc. Scrivens had his shot - he looked like he might be able to be a 1b last year. He blew it.

 

[Homesick]

Exactly. It blows my mind that Oiler fans continually place the primary blame on the goalie.

Scrivens is Sievens because he's demoralized playing behind a team that is constantly under siege. He's not good enough to overcome confidence issues so the floodgates have now opened.
He's clearly not the same goalie that he was last season because he's now fully absorbed into the Oilers culture. It's a goalie graveyard for a reason.

We're going to have the same conversation this time next season when Martin Jones or Cam Talbot are getting sieveish nicknames.

The Oilers do need to add a legit #1 goalie but they need some damn defense and some forwards who know how to play in their own zone. It's ridiculous already.

Riiiight, and the skaters aren't playing with the thought that if they allow a shot on net that there's a 15% chance that it goes in.

 

[frag2]

Scrivens was decent in Toronto and in LA. He's not here.

Coincidence?

Semi-decent D masked his deficiencies...so what? We all know its more difficult to replace 3 bodies instead of just 1.

This team wont fix the D overnight but at the very least, they can find a goalie that can make a save on the first shot of the game.

Dubnyk was technically good but with major brain farts. Scrivens isn't good technically

To be fair though, Dubnyk wasn't technically good. His fundamentals were flawed big time because of his over-reliance on his size. Once he learned to track the play and puck rather than "hope" the puck hits him, he became what he is now.