Confirmed with Link: Schultz signs 1yr/3.9M

[Oilers10]

He wasn't even good under Krueger or Nelson, I don't know why people try and pump this myth up. Schultz was just as garbage then as he is now, he was okay on the power play, but that was only 48 games and it's entirely possible he got hot/lucky and the next 150 games are much more indicative of his play than the lockout-shortened season.

But yeah, Eakins ruined him or something.

My worst fear is gets a bunch of power play points playing with McDavid and co. and is still terrible defensively and gets a long term contract at 5M.

I don't know how you can deny it. He had 27pts his ROOKIE year then MacT has a brain fart and hires Eakins, Schultz progression nose dives and he loses confidence. Sure he wasn't great under Nelson but by that point the damage had been done.

When every offensive young gun regresses all at the same time I don't know how you can't blame Eakins.

 

[Soundwave]

He wasn't even good under Krueger or Nelson, I don't know why people try and pump this myth up. Schultz was just as garbage then as he is now, he was okay on the power play, but that was only 48 games and it's entirely possible he got hot/lucky and the next 150 games are much more indicative of his play than the lockout-shortened season.

But yeah, Eakins ruined him or something.

My worst fear is gets a bunch of power play points playing with McDavid and co. and is still terrible defensively and gets a long term contract at 5M.

We'll trade him for better assets if he has a decent year. Simple as that. If we cut him loose now, the return would be nothing, this is better asset management IMO.

To be honest he missed a lot of gimmes last year and hit a lot of posts. I think overall it was just an off-year for him.

 

[sepHF]

you are the lord of the kings among men

I'll take it

 

[rasarhdasd]

I don't know how you can deny it. He had 27pts his ROOKIE year then MacT has a brain fart and hires Eakins, Schultz progression nose dives and he loses confidence. Sure he wasn't great under Nelson but by that point the damage had been done.

When every offensive young gun regresses all at the same time I don't know how you can't blame Eakins.

Please refer to this post -
http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showpost.php?p=105254443&postcount=167

We'll trade him for better assets if he has a decent year. Simple as that. If we cut him loose now, the return would be nothing, this is better asset management IMO.

To be honest he missed a lot of gimmes last year and hit a lot of posts. I think overall it was just an off-year for him.

I'm concerned the Oiler's plan is "hope Schultz develops into a #1 RHD", but I get the 1 year deal. I would almost argue cutting him loose is better asset management since it costed nothing to sign him, but that would require them having another defensemen ready to take his place, and I'm sure he's famous enough that some time would give up something for him. I'm fine with signing him as long as they don't think he's the saviour anymore.

I think this is what we see of him, though. He's a bottom-pairing guy who can play on the power play. I wouldn't count on him being anything more than that, as 25 isn't exactly young anymore, and some huge growth would be pretty unreasonable to expect.

 

[Seedling]

Area Man lifts weights for the first time in his life and brags about it

Ah, this made me smile. Thanks.

 

[ivanthebad*]

I'm referring to his time under Nelson in the NHL. His AHL stint was impressive, but he was playing with NHL players down there, and one that had just scored 70 points in the NHL.

And his 48 games under Krueger were not that impressive. He had the same amount of even strength points as Jeff Petry and was still poor defensively at even strength as well. Petry was also facing first line opponents to Schultz's secondary opposition.

So he killed it on the power play for 48 games, which like I said is 48 games, and probably not as indicative of his talent as much as the 150(!!) games he's played since.

Here's his points per 60 for 5 on 4 ice time (power play) since he's been in the NHL (measures the number of points a player scores for every 60 minutes of time on ice)

2012-13 - 5.06 p/60 (48 games)
2013-14 - 2.23 p/60 (74 games)
2014-15 - 3.02 p/60 (81 games)

Hmm, I wonder what's more reflective of his talent? A really good 48 games? or the next 150 which he hasn't come close to repeating his 12-13 numbers.

It's easy to see a bunch of points and think "eh, he was decent", but he was not. He couldn't handle a second-pairing role that year (still couldn't last year) but killed it on the power play and people are always impressed by points.

He hasn't been able to reproduce that same effectiveness on the powerplay, despite others showing they can maintain a high level.

Hall -

2011-12 - 5.95 p/60
2012-13 - 5.74 p/60
2013-14 - 4.29 p/60
2014-15 - 2.36 p/60

RNH -

2011-12 - 7.30 p/60
2012-13 - 4.91 p/60
2013-14 - 4.85 p/60
2014-15 - 3.62 p/60

Eberle -

2011-12 - 4.77 p/60
2012-13 - 3.46 p/60
2013-14 - 4.72 p/60
2014-15 - 5.82 p/60

It's not an Eakins thing either, the top forwards all managed to have success, save for a dip when Hall was very clearly injured, and Eberle had his best year yet on the power play.

Schultz is a bottom-pairing guy who's value is supposed to come on the power play, but that is even questionable because of the talent he gets to play with. You don't climb out of the gutter overpaying power play specialists, or hoping they suddenly become top 4 defensemen, which I very much doubt Schultz will as he's not exactly young at 25.

Bang on for the bolded. The other thing is he played his first year with N.Schultz, who is a very steady top 4 dman. He was actually the best/most consistent dman on the Flyers the last 2 years. J.Schultz had that luxury in his Kruger year. If anything, Jultz has proved that without a decent pairing doing ALL the lifting, he is just terrible.

 

[La Bamba]

I think a Sekera-Schultz pairing would truly show how good Schultz can be. I fully believe he has 50 point potential in him and the ability to develop a stronger 2-way game.

Just leaving this out there but Duncan Keith averaged ~30 pts and ~23 mins/TOI a game and didn't have the best defensive game just like Schultz after his 3rd NHL season at the same age.

 

[Soundwave]

I think a Sekera-Schultz pairing would truly show how good Schultz can be. I fully believe he has 50 point potential in him and the ability to develop a stronger 2-way game.

Just leaving this out there but Duncan Keith averaged ~30 pts and ~23 mins/TOI a game and didn't have the best defensive game just like Schultz after his 3rd NHL season at the same age.

Keith was a +30 in his third year, so I dunno if that analogy quite works.

I do think Schultz can be a lot better than what he showed under Eakins though.

 

[La Bamba]

Keith was a +30 in his third year, so I dunno if that analogy quite works.

I do think Schultz can be a lot better than what he showed under Eakins though.

Yeah but +/- is a pretty crappy stat.. A guy like Jeff Schultz had a +50 season before.

 

[Lay Z Boy GM]

Yeah but +/- is a pretty crappy stat.. A guy like Jeff Schultz had a +50 season before.

Keith was known for his grittiness Nd defensive ability years before he became a force offensively. He doesn't compare to Keith in any way IMO.

 

[La Bamba]

Keith was known for his grittiness Nd defensive ability years before he became a force offensively. He doesn't compare to Keith in any way IMO.

Well the point I was trying to make is, we should give talented young d-men a longer leash since it's been seen in the past where those types of players can break out after a few years in the league.

I'm just so surprised to see 99% of posters absolutely rip the guy for every single aspect of his game. People should remember that he has great offensive IQ, skating, passing, and a great wrister.

 

[McOvechking]

I don't know how you can deny it. He had 27pts his ROOKIE year then MacT has a brain fart and hires Eakins, Schultz progression nose dives and he loses confidence. Sure he wasn't great under Nelson but by that point the damage had been done.

When every offensive young gun regresses all at the same time I don't know how you can't blame Eakins.

Schultz had 48 points in 37 games in his first pro half-season (AHL), then 27 points in 48 games in the NHL after already having played 37 games in the AHL.

Those stats are downright ridiculous for a rookie defenseman. He then goes on to struggle for two years under terrible coaching (while still putting up 30+ points) and we're ready to ship him out for a 7th round pick?

Are you guys kidding me? This guy could be the real deal. He could be a 50-60 point defender on a competent team.

 

[Vagabond]

I don't mind this deal mostly because its for one season. It's an overpayment but its perfect to see what he can do under a more ideal situation. Hopefully he takes full advantage of this opportunity and takes a major step forward.

 

[White Water Kayker]

All I have to say is, I wish I could be that bad at my job and make $3.8 million.... Jesus.

 

[Comic Book Guy*]

All I have to say is, I wish I could be that bad at my job and make $3.8 million.... Jesus.

Should have dedicated your time to 5 am practices, 2 a day workouts, financially burdening your parents, and balancing school during your youth rather than whatever you did.

I don't like when people compare themselves to professional athletes. Regardless of how "gifted" you perceive them to be, you don't join a 700 player league where there are over 7 billion people on earth unless you gave a damn. There isn't some conspiracy where the world is unfair and hard-working, blue collar guys like you continue to get screwed while a bunch of undeserving people get all these advantages. Rewards are earned. Schultz worked hard to be where he is today.

Justin Schultz gave a damn, and is part of the 0.0000001% of individuals who earned their spot in the National hockey league. He didn't entitle himself to a spot. He worked years and and years to get the job that you think he's "half-assing". He has earned the privledge of wasting Daryl Katz money over the past 2 seasons.

Don't hate. Emulate. If you see something you like, go do it too.

 

[Vagabond]

Should have dedicated your time to 5 am practices, 2 a day workouts, financially burdening your parents, and balancing school during your youth rather than whatever you did.

I don't like when people compare themselves to professional athletes. Regardless of how "gifted" your perceive them to be, you don't join a 700 player league where there are over 7 billion people on earth unless you gave a damn. Justin Schultz gave a damn, and is part of the 0.0000001% of individuals who earned their spot in the National hockey league. He didn't entitle himself to a spot. He worked years and and years to get the job that you think he's "half-assing". He has earned the privledge of wasting Daryl Katz money over the past 2 seasons.

Don't hate. Emulate. If you see something you like, go do it too.

I like what you just said.

 

[KickHimPedro]

last year he had little confidence in his game and was snakebit a lot. He easily could have been a 10-30-40 player on a horrible team, playing tough minutes. I wouldn't be surprised if he put up 50 puts this year. Like the rest of the team, he'll look a lot better if he isn't forced into playing above his abilities.

 

[Tyrolean]

Someone may have repeated this but I am going to say it anyway.

These 1 year" show m"e signings can always backfire as it did with Petry.

Petry was just so so and inconsistent until last year.

Everyone blamed MacT for doing it, but now Chia is doing the same thing and hardly anyone complains.

Hopefully Shultz appreciates this and if he does turn the corner, he doesn't abandon the team as a UFA.

 

[CantHaveTkachev]

as someone on twitter said "I've seen basketballs with more edge than Schultz"

until he decides to learn to be adequate on the defensive side, he's not worth the money...not a good PP QB...muffin of a shot...and poor in his own zone

the coaching staff will need to work a miracle to get him to become a decent NHL d-man

 

[OilerTyler]

Someone may have repeated this but I am going to say it anyway.

These 1 year" show m"e signings can always backfire as it did with Petry.

Petry was just so so and inconsistent until last year.

Everyone blamed MacT for doing it, but now Chia is doing the same thing and hardly anyone complains.

Hopefully Shultz appreciates this and if he does turn the corner, he doesn't abandon the team as a UFA.

Schultz will be an RFA in a year. That's the difference.

 

[Vagabond]

Someone may have repeated this but I am going to say it anyway.

These 1 year" show m"e signings can always backfire as it did with Petry.

Petry was just so so and inconsistent until last year.

Everyone blamed MacT for doing it, but now Chia is doing the same thing and hardly anyone complains.

Hopefully Shultz appreciates this and if he does turn the corner, he doesn't abandon the team as a UFA.

I was one of the few that liked MacT's 1 year deal of Petry. To the day he was traded, he was terribly inconsistent. I however wasn't a fan of how MacT treated Petry tho. I'm a fan of bridge deals including one year deals. It has worked for more players than it hasn't. The only time they fail is when you have a fail GM making them. Suban is a good comparison.

 

[Mc5RingsAndABeer]

I was one of the few that liked MacT's 1 year deal of Petry. To the day he was traded, he was terribly inconsistent. I however wasn't a fan of how MacT treated Petry tho. I'm a fan of bridge deals including one year deals. It has worked for more players than it hasn't. The only time they fail is when you have a fail GM making them. Suban is a good comparison.

Bridge deals into UFA are not a good idea
The Oilers are actually set up really well because we DIDN'T opt for bridge deals (and got steals like Hall @6m. RNH and Ebs @6m are pretty great deals too.

 

[Vagabond]

Bridge deals into UFA are not a good idea
The Oilers are actually set up really well because we DIDN'T opt for bridge deals (and got steals like Hall @6m. RNH and Ebs @6m are pretty great deals too.

Again; I should have reiterated that bridge deals only work for specific players in specific situations. If a players shows that he can perform then you sign them to longer term like Nuge, Hall, Ebs. If a player hasn't showed enough but still ooze potential then yes, they work well for example; Yakupov and yes, Petry. Petry showed nothing to deserve what he got in Montreal. I'm happy we got 2 picks that helped get us Talbot. In my opinion it did work well for Petry in that one year deal.. for the simple reason that he didn't pan out nor would he have here in Edmonton. He might in Montreal but I have my doubts that he will earn his salary there.

 

[harpoon]

2012-13 - 5.06 p/60 (48 games)
2013-14 - 2.23 p/60 (74 games)
2014-15 - 3.02 p/60 (81 games)

He hasn't been able to reproduce that same effectiveness on the powerplay, despite others showing they can maintain a high level.

Hall -

2011-12 - 5.95 p/60
2012-13 - 5.74 p/60
2013-14 - 4.29 p/60
2014-15 - 2.36 p/60

RNH -

2011-12 - 7.30 p/60
2012-13 - 4.91 p/60
2013-14 - 4.85 p/60
2014-15 - 3.62 p/60

Eberle -

2011-12 - 4.77 p/60
2012-13 - 3.46 p/60
2013-14 - 4.72 p/60
2014-15 - 5.82 p/60

Regarding the bolded. Are you kidding me? If we are going to compare drop offs in PP points/60 then Schultz fits right in with the group you listed - and lets not kid ourselves, you chose the three best players on the team to compare him to, all forwards as well. Not exactly the most impartial comparison here if I may say so.

Look at Nuge. According to your numbers he's fallen off by half from his rookie season. And even if you take his second season when he was almost 5 points/60, the 3.6 he put up last season is a pretty decent drop from there, and not a whole lot better than the 3 points/60 you say Schultz scored on the PP last season.

Seems to me like the only one in the group (of players you arbitrarily selected) who just keeps putting up PP points like a machine is Eberle. Interesting that he's the guy everybody on the board thinks we should trade, cause he's "the most replaceable".

Anyway, I think your numbers tend to indicate the opposite of what you seem to think they do. You said it yourself, Schultz only has 200 NHL games ... on this gongshow team, with the revolving coaches and the revolving partners and a lineup that half looked like an AHL team. Lets see what he does this season. He's going to be overpaid for sure, but who gives a **** how much of Katz's money we waste on one year deals. Not me.

 

[ivanthebad*]

Regarding the bolded. Are you kidding me? If we are going to compare drop offs in PP points/60 then Schultz fits right in with the group you listed - and lets not kid ourselves, you chose the three best players on the team to compare him to, all forwards as well. Not exactly the most impartial comparison here if I may say so.

Look at Nuge. According to your numbers he's fallen off by half from his rookie season. And even if you take his second season when he was almost 5 points/60, the 3.6 he put up last season is a pretty decent drop from there, and not a whole lot better than the 3 points/60 you say Schultz scored on the PP last season.

Seems to me like the only one in the group (of players you arbitrarily selected) who just keeps putting up PP points like a machine is Eberle. Interesting that he's the guy everybody on the board thinks we should trade, cause he's "the most replaceable".

Anyway, I think your numbers tend to indicate the opposite of what you seem to think they do. You said it yourself, Schultz only has 200 NHL games ... on this gongshow team, with the revolving coaches and the revolving partners and a lineup that half looked like an AHL team. Lets see what he does this season. He's going to be overpaid for sure, but who gives a **** how much of Katz's money we waste on one year deals. Not me.

I have been guilty like many suggesting we trade Ebs but you are right. He is the truly the cornerstone of this pp. He is a right-handed shot. Add that much skill and he actually adds more value than most.

I would love to see him be able to quarterback our pp from the left half wall like Giroux in Philly