Confirmed with Link: Schultz signs 1yr/3.9M

[CorpseFX]

I see as expected people are going off their rocker about us signing a guy who has been our only real offensive Dman the last couple of years, has lead the D men in ice time the last two years. Has been forced to play too many minutes against tough competition the last two years and who though he may look worse than other dmen because of his play style his effectiveness has been better than some of the darlings on this team such as Fayne and Klefbom.

All this while having to contend with Ivos Ekinzom and his reign of terror.

One full year to work with and evaluate the guy who like it or not has lots of untapped potential with a real coaching staff. Sounds perfectly fine all around as far as I'm concerned.

i back this.

this team has been organized horrifically for players to mature under. and the execution has been so inconsistent/poor outside of "raw" talent carrying it anywhere that some players need to be seen under different guidance.

 

[oilz89*]

Guys I still think Schultz will be a good dman. Remember Kris Russell 2-3 years ago? Now i know that Schultz is already 25 but he's only played 3 years in the league... 2 of them with Eakins. Give the guy a chance under a good coaching staff. He may impress

 

[oilz89*]

The consequence of letting him walk is not having a player that is not a valid WC NHL D..

One can still argue potential I guess but one could still be arguing that next year and the year after.

Really if we're being honest last year was show me time for Schultz. What did he show?

He was also under Eakins for the majority of the year and given too many minutes to handle, especially after Petry left

 

[oilz89*]

Its fair. I'll accept that.

But in my own little universe Eakins would NEVER have been coach here and we would never be at this unknown position with either this, or most of our players.
sorry for the tangent.

Eakins was the worst thing to happen to this team since I don't know... Corson?

 

[RuneMcEres]

Good deal. I won't judge anyone who played under Eakins for an overall deterioration in their game. It's just two blown years for everyone involved, and especially for young defencemen who were horribly victimised by the swarm. Let's hope he gets his game together around christmas time.

 

[Supermassive]

Good deal. I won't judge anyone who played under Eakins for an overall deterioration in their game. It's just two blown years for everyone involved, and especially for young defencemen who were horribly victimised by the swarm. Let's hope he gets his game together around christmas time.

I'll echo this. Hope he has a great rebound year.

 

[ToeMcDrag83]

The contract shouldn't bother anyone really, keeps him in RFA status, and we get to see of he'll follow through on his words. There's enough there in his offensive game to see what he'll do with a hopefully improved PP and system.

Been a huge critic of his post Krueger, but this is low risk/high reward and inconsequential to the cap long term. Smart signing.

On the player's deficiencies I want to see improved, I'll go in a different direction than strength/defence/board play. I want to see him regain that confidence in walking the line at the offensive side, finding the right time to shoot. His shot selection has been poor under Eakins, and he needs to utilize his options better when the shot is not available. Too many plays killed because 95% of his wristers got blocked trying to force a shot and then, surpise, puck out of the zone. Haven't seen any real offensive confidence since his AHL/rookie year. The battle level will have to increase at both ends of the ice.

 

[frag2]

Petry was UFA, Hamilton was RFA.

Regardless, point still stands that RHD will always be overpaid these days. If you have some hype surrounding your name, you're gonna get paid it seems

 

[rasarhdasd]

He wasn't even good under Krueger or Nelson, I don't know why people try and pump this myth up. Schultz was just as garbage then as he is now, he was okay on the power play, but that was only 48 games and it's entirely possible he got hot/lucky and the next 150 games are much more indicative of his play than the lockout-shortened season.

But yeah, Eakins ruined him or something.

My worst fear is gets a bunch of power play points playing with McDavid and co. and is still terrible defensively and gets a long term contract at 5M.

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

Full year? Imo he should be on a three month leash

 

[Comic Book Guy*]

He wasn't even good under Krueger or Nelson

This is inaccurate and a good attempt at convincing others to adopt their position through a framing bias.

Justin Schultz broke AHL records for defensemen under Todd Nelson. He won the AHL Defenseman of the Year Award that year despite only playing 1/3rd of the season.

He had a solid rookie season with Kreuger. Let me be straight with our expectations: he was not signed to be some kind of Drew Doughty-saviour. He was signed so that he could be our offensive linchpin from the blueline.

As a rookie, he was expected to be a 2nd pairing defenseman. He accomplished that.

- He was the top scoring defenseman on the team that year.
- He was the top scoring rookie defenseman in the entire NHL that year.
- He was on pace for 14 goals, 33 assists in a rookie season cut short by a lockout year.
- That production outpaces Aaron Ekblad - who was an NHL All-Star in his Calder-winning season.
- That kind of production is the type you see from offensive stalwarts like Kevin Shattenkirk, Tyson Barrie and Troy Brodie. Not on the Karlsson levl, but one notch below.

Does he struggle defensively? Yes.
Do I have a strong distaste for him because he plays like a forward? Absolutely.
Am I going to make attempts to convince others that he's bad? No.
Is he one-dimensional? Perhaps?
Dat one dimension doe.

 

[frag2]

He wasn't even good under Krueger or Nelson, I don't know why people try and pump this myth up. Schultz was just as garbage then as he is now, he was okay on the power play, but that was only 48 games and it's entirely possible he got hot/lucky and the next 150 games are much more indicative of his play than the lockout-shortened season.

But yeah, Eakins ruined him or something.

My worst fear is gets a bunch of power play points playing with McDavid and co. and is still terrible defensively and gets a long term contract at 5M.

You do realize that "okay" part of his career was under Krueger right?

Eakins single handedly set everyone back 2-3 steps.

If he gets a **** ton of points with McDavid and the team is winning consistently, we either keep him and he continues putting up points [hopefully more points for than against] or he gets shipped at top value.

1 year isn't gonna kill the team

 

[ToeMcDrag83]

He wasn't even good under Krueger or Nelson, I don't know why people try and pump this myth up. Schultz was just as garbage then as he is now, he was okay on the power play, but that was only 48 games and it's entirely possible he got hot/lucky and the next 150 games are much more indicative of his play than the lockout-shortened season.

But yeah, Eakins ruined him or something.

My worst fear is gets a bunch of power play points playing with McDavid and co. and is still terrible defensively and gets a long term contract at 5M.

GP: 48, 74, 81
PTS: 27, 33, 31

In thirty less games in the Kruger era, he put up essentially the same point totals. Gotta count for something going right under Kruger.

His strength will never be his defensive game, if it takes the power play to predominantly get him back to the 50 point pace he was in in his rookie season, that should be welcomed.

 

[McJadeddog]

Brutal deal, this stinks of MacT. Schultz should have been Del Zotto'd and let walk, this guy is one of the worst defenders in the league and he's making 3.9M! What a Joke!!

yup, this is all on macT for sure... can't blame chia on this one

also agree that we should have traded him for *literally* anything we could have gotten for him.... i would have given him away for a 7th rounder... then used the 3.9 million to sign an ACTUAL defencemen .... brutal signing

 

[McDeathbyCheerios*]

yup, this is all on macT for sure... can't blame chia on this one

also agree that we should have traded him for *literally* anything we could have gotten for him.... i would have given him away for a 7th rounder... then used the 3.9 million to sign an ACTUAL defencemen .... brutal signing

Over reaction

 

[McDreamy]

Schultz was definitely better under Nelson. I don't know what the stats say, but he was playing a lot better towards the end of the year. I don't want to defend his play too much, but the guy was put into a terrible situation here since we signed him.

This is a huge year for him, hope he can turn it around and find a way to be consistently effective.

 

[rasarhdasd]

This is inaccurate and a good attempt at convincing others to adopt their position through a framing bias.

Justin Schultz broke AHL records for defensemen under Todd Nelson. He own the defenseman of the year award that year despite only playing 1/3rd of the season.

He had a solid rookie season with Kreuger. Let me be straight with our expectations: he was not signed to be some kind of Drew Doughty-saviour. He was signed so that he could be our offensive linchpin from the blueline.

As a rookie, he was expected to be a 2nd pairing defenseman. He accomplished that.

- He was the top scoring defenseman on the team that year
- He was on pace for 14 goals, 33 assists in a rookie season cut short by a lockout year
- That kind of production is the type you see from offensive stalwarts like Kevin Shattenkirk, Tyson Barrie and Troy Brodie. Not on the Karlsson levl, but one notch below.

Does he struggle defensively? Yes.
Is he one-dimensional? Perhaps?
Dat one dimension doe.

I'm referring to his time under Nelson in the NHL. His AHL stint was impressive, but he was playing with NHL players down there, and one that had just scored 70 points in the NHL.

And his 48 games under Krueger were not that impressive. He had the same amount of even strength points as Jeff Petry and was still poor defensively at even strength as well. Petry was also facing first line opponents to Schultz's secondary opposition.

So he killed it on the power play for 48 games, which like I said is 48 games, and probably not as indicative of his talent as much as the 150(!!) games he's played since.

Here's his points per 60 for 5 on 4 ice time (power play) since he's been in the NHL (measures the number of points a player scores for every 60 minutes of time on ice)

2012-13 - 5.06 p/60 (48 games)
2013-14 - 2.23 p/60 (74 games)
2014-15 - 3.02 p/60 (81 games)

Hmm, I wonder what's more reflective of his talent? A really good 48 games? or the next 150 which he hasn't come close to repeating his 12-13 numbers.

It's easy to see a bunch of points and think "eh, he was decent", but he was not. He couldn't handle a second-pairing role that year (still couldn't last year) but killed it on the power play and people are always impressed by points.

He hasn't been able to reproduce that same effectiveness on the powerplay, despite others showing they can maintain a high level.

Hall -

2011-12 - 5.95 p/60
2012-13 - 5.74 p/60
2013-14 - 4.29 p/60
2014-15 - 2.36 p/60

RNH -

2011-12 - 7.30 p/60
2012-13 - 4.91 p/60
2013-14 - 4.85 p/60
2014-15 - 3.62 p/60

Eberle -

2011-12 - 4.77 p/60
2012-13 - 3.46 p/60
2013-14 - 4.72 p/60
2014-15 - 5.82 p/60

It's not an Eakins thing either, the top forwards all managed to have success, save for a dip when Hall was very clearly injured, and Eberle had his best year yet on the power play.

Schultz is a bottom-pairing guy who's value is supposed to come on the power play, but that is even questionable because of the talent he gets to play with. You don't climb out of the gutter overpaying power play specialists, or hoping they suddenly become top 4 defensemen, which I very much doubt Schultz will as he's not exactly young at 25.

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

Area Man lifts weights for the first time in his life and brags about it

"I always liked hockey because skating provided so little resistance to my muscles, but now I realize thats the wrong perspective." Said the young defender when remarking on his decision to hit the gym.

"and I never realized that using a certain mass of a certain density in conjunction with what I thought were silly arm movements would actually be necessary to gain physical strength" Schultz added.

 

[McDeathbyCheerios*]

I'm referring to his time under Nelson in the NHL. His AHL stint was impressive, but he was playing with NHL players down there, and one that had just scored 70 points in the NHL.

And his 48 games under Krueger were not that impressive. He had the same amount of even strength points as Jeff Petry and was still poor defensively at even strength as well. Petry was also facing first line opponents to Schultz's secondary opposition.

So he killed it on the power play for 48 games, which like I said is 48 games, and probably not as indicative of his talent as much as the 150(!!) games he's played since.

Here's his points per 60 for 5 on 4 ice time (power play) since he's been in the NHL (measures the number of points a player scores for every 60 minutes of time on ice)

2012-13 - 5.06 p/60 (48 games)
2013-14 - 2.23 p/60 (74 games)
2014-15 - 3.02 p/60 (81 games)

Hmm, I wonder what's more reflective of his talent? A really good 48 games? or the next 150 which he hasn't come close to repeating his 12-13 numbers.

It's easy to see a bunch of points and think "eh, he was decent", but he was not. He couldn't handle a second-pairing role that year (still couldn't last year) but killed it on the power play and people are always impressed by points.

He hasn't been able to reproduce that same effectiveness on the powerplay, despite others showing they can maintain a high level.

Hall -

2011-12 - 5.95 p/60
2012-13 - 5.74 p/60
2013-14 - 4.29 p/60
2014-15 - 2.36 p/60

RNH -

2011-12 - 7.30 p/60
2012-13 - 4.91 p/60
2013-14 - 4.85 p/60
2014-15 - 3.62 p/60

Eberle -

2011-12 - 4.77 p/60
2012-13 - 3.46 p/60
2013-14 - 4.72 p/60
2014-15 - 5.82 p/60

It's not an Eakins thing either, the top forwards all managed to have success, save for a dip when Hall was very clearly injured, and Eberle had his best year yet on the power play.

Schultz is a bottom-pairing guy who's value is supposed to come on the power play, but that is even questionable because of the talent he gets to play with. You don't climb out of the gutter overpaying power play specialists, or hoping they suddenly become top 4 defensemen, which I very much doubt Schultz will as he's not exactly young at 25.

Forwards and defensemen do not develop the same. Defensemen do not have a linear development like forwards do. Defensemen have many more peaks and valleys until they are around 27.

Eakins systems stifled our offense especially from the back end. he got better once Eakins was **** canned.

 

[sepHF]

I see as expected people are going off their rocker about us signing a guy who has been our only real offensive Dman the last couple of years, has lead the D men in ice time the last two years. Has been forced to play too many minutes against tough competition the last two years and who though he may look worse than other dmen because of his play style his effectiveness has been better than some of the darlings on this team such as Fayne and Klefbom.

All this while having to contend with Ivos Ekinzom and his reign of terror.

One full year to work with and evaluate the guy who like it or not has lots of untapped potential with a real coaching staff. Sounds perfectly fine all around as far as I'm concerned.

Regardless of his minutes / QoC you'd think once in a while he would actually try in the defensive zone. That's what drives me crazy about the guy, he doesn't even try when the puck is in his own zone. He's so lazy in the d-zone it drives me crazy.

But i dont want to just get rid of him, I'll be interested to see how he does this year under a real coach.

 

[SeriousBusiness]

One year deal, and the money is as expected. Anyone who thought he'd be taking a pay cut is crazy. Let's see what he can do with better coaches and better supporting players around him.

 

[tempest2i]

I don't hate it.

I could hate it, I've just chosen not to.

 

[sepHF]

Who has the schultz popcorn gif?

 

[BoldNewLettuce]

you are the lord of the kings among men

 

[KCC]

Overpaid, but at one year it's a fresh start. His potential is there and as he said in his latest interview he's been hitting the gym every day since taking 3 weeks off to end the season. Finally he's taking things seriously. The big question is will it be too little too late?