#1. Gainey's daughter was lost at sea in 2006. Truly tragic, but it was 4 years earlier and if he couldn't move on, he had to step down.
#2. If Gauthier didn't like McDonagh, does that mean he told Gainey.. just throw him in the deal to sweeten the pot ? I am trying to understand how Gauthier not liking McDo can lead to McDo being used as a throw-in. Besides, logically, shouldn't the GM trust his amateur scouts more on the value of a prospect than his ass-GM ?
#3. Did Gainey try to negotiate a little bit with Sather... was Sather holding out for a first round prospect, I strongly doubt it. Acquiring Gomez in itself wasn't THAT bad.. he was an "okay" replacement for Koivu... the problem was to give something of value for a negative value asset and help out sather free cap space to sign Gaborik. That speaks of a GM that didn't have his finger on the pulse of the NHL around him. Regardless of how badly surrounded he was.
It's in the past !
These ****ing McDonagh trades are so intellectually lazy.
All in all, I'm glad both are gone. I still don't see anything decisively good about Bergevin though - he nickle and dimes our star players, and the Briere contract was TERRIBLE. His drafting seems loony too. We'll see.
All in all, I'm glad both are gone. I still don't see anything decisively good about Bergevin though - he nickle and dimes our star players, and the Briere contract was TERRIBLE. His drafting seems loony too. We'll see.
Once Pierre Gauthier took over, things calmed down mostly. The only major centre acquisitions was that of Lars Eller.
These ****ing McDonagh trades are so intellectually lazy.
Until there is definitive proof otherwise, 100% of the credit and 100% of the blame falls on the guy calling the shots.
I defended Gauthier from the gaggles of brainless stumps ONLY because I objected to all these complainers and liars.
You can't blame pro-scouting for what was clearly a top-level, designed strategy: (finally) get a #1 centre and then sign some consummate professional FAs. It's not nearly as complicated as all the cloak and dagger nonsense some are saying about Gauthier.
Gainey had a stupid plan and he carried on with it. The whole point of being an is executive is calling the shots based on YOUR OWN FINAL JUDGEMENT.
As bad as you think Gauthier was, Gainey's moves are only Gainey's until proven otherwise.
If he were so weak as to get bullied into making a move (like some of you are implying) then he should've never been an executive in the first place. But how their careers have gone since then is a strong indicator that Gauthier is a sharp hockey mind with poor social skills and Gainey is a regressive dunce resting on his laurels. The laughingstock he and Nieuy made of Dallas should not be forgotten either.
All in all, I'm glad both are gone. I still don't see anything decisively good about Bergevin though - he nickle and dimes our star players, and the Briere contract was TERRIBLE. His drafting seems loony too. We'll see.
Thing calmed down? Yep...because we sucked it did. And that Cunneyworth hiring was CLEARLY a sign of things calming down. Gauthier, and I'd give him that, understood that when you sucked, you do make sure you suck bad. And he got draft picks for that. Which I'd be surprise to see Gainey do. But prior to that.....he did got Kaberle. The guy was not GM that long and YET we had to use the compliance buyouts because of a mistake HE made.
Yet, while people recognize the picks we got for Kosty and Gill, what people seems to forget is that Gauthier has traded just as many picks as we got some. Gauthier got: 1st, 3 2nds, 3 4ths, 2 5ths . And traded 1st, 3 2nds, 3rd, 4th, 3 5ths, 7th. I would say that Gauthier was more succesful than Gainey but that's not exactly the type of comparison you want to win....Yep, he might have gotten Moore and Wiz, but I'm sorry, I'm not going to praise a guy who keeps the "great" players he gets for half of a season. That's not what builds you a team. Same Moore who was let go after playing such a key role in the playoffs.
Gainey was bad in his final years. Pretty bad. Mostly responsible for how average we were for a long time. Gauthier was better, did make some good moves. But is not the great GM that people wish him to be. 'Cause if he was....he'd be a GM somewhere. Can't wait to see that happen. And IF it happens, can't wait to see how he builds his team.
1: Why is this a thing around here? Nickle and dimes our star players... it's his job to negotiate. It's not a bad thing that he's doing that.
2: Briere was acquired because he is traditionally a playoff performer. He scored some big goals for us this playoffs. We have another year of Briere, unless we can find a trade, but I don't think it's crippling or "TERRIBLE". David Clarkson contract is TERRIBLE, Briere's is a medium risk/reward thing.
3: After 2 drafts his drafting is loony? I don't quite get that?
Yet, while people recognize the picks we got for Kosty and Gill, what people seems to forget is that Gauthier has traded just as many picks as we got some. Gauthier got: 1st, 3 2nds, 3 4ths, 2 5ths . And traded 1st, 3 2nds, 3rd, 4th, 3 5ths, 7th.
There is no defending the Briere signing. That was a terrible decision. Bergy is odd in the sense that he'll nickel and dime certain players (which I don't have a problem with) but will pay through the nose for others. My issue is he nickel and dimed the wrong player.
What would this place look like if he nickel and dimed Price? He didn't. IMO, you don't nickel and dime your best players and that's exactly what he did with PK. I understand it's a negotiation, but that doesn't mean you try to fleece your star players.
You nickel and dime UFAs and low end players.
And if Douglas Murray had won the Norris we'd have said that was a good signing too.That's your opinion. Other people may not agree with it, you should learn this.
If Briere had gotten us into the finals or had like 5-10 goals in the playoffs this is a totally different discussion. It's a medium risk contract with a potentially high reward. We had the cap to make that happen, so I have no real issue with it.
For those of you saying move on... forget about it. The hockey world is not going to let us forget this trade until McD retires or moves on from NY. That's how it is so get used to it.
Every time we play him. Every time he advances. Every time he wins something of significance we will hear/read about it. That's what happens when you make stupid trades. As I said at the time, it was an awful trade and "now all we have is to wait and see how awful it will be"... well here we are. Its not going to get better anytime soon so get used to it.
And if Douglas Murray had won the Norris we'd have said that was a good signing too.
The Briere move made no sense and we could've spent our money better elsewhere. Jagr would've been good.
Beaulieu is going to be really good.I didn't want Gomez, and a bunch others on here didn't want him. He was terrible and Sather wanted to unload that atrocious contract and sign a good player, but he ended up getting more than that.
Gainey was the sucker that bit on it. We lost a solid defenceman who not only was a solid D-Man, but could also put up points. Now we only have PK if we don't resign Markov, and he is liability on D with his wonky knee's. Markov has one maybe 2 years left in him.
I wouldn't be surprised if his production next year drops like a rock. We could have had 3 solid scoring defencemen who could rack up points. We have nothing in the organization for scoring defencemen. Tinordi could be a solid plug, thats it. I guess we better resign the Cube.
That is why Bergevin needs to sign and overpay an over the hill D-Man like Markov. We have nothing else behind him. Losing McDo created all this subpar D we have. Not only do the Habs need to look for forwards, but D-Men too. This could turn ugly. I don't see us having the season we had last year. The reason why we went deeper in the playoffs was guys like Weise and the Cube scoring goals for us.
Pretty much exactly how I picture Gauthier actually...
He should've stepped down. His head wasn't in the game and how could it be? I can tell you that if I lost my daughter the last thing on my mind would be hockey...#1. Gainey's daughter was lost at sea in 2006. Truly tragic, but it was 4 years earlier and if he couldn't move on, he had to step down.
Yup. Higgins for Gomez would've been bad enough.and one more thing.....What if Higgins became the HFBoArd and self proclaimed 40/40 guy we all thought he would be???????
When you think about it, it could have been a lot worse man.
Kovalev trade happened before Gainey's tragedy.We won the Kovalev trade. They won the McDonagh trade. Sometimes you win, sometimes you lose. Deal with it, and move on.
We've all moved on.I will rebuttal with: Move on.
Yea, it was a really bad trade, nothing we can do about it now. People are gonna bring it up, not much you can do to stop that. Eh. Most of us as fans hated it at the time, but, what's done is done.
Take your own advice: get used to it. And don't let it bother you; You didn't make the trade.
I know that we signed Briere before free agent season even opened and I know Jagr was still available. I know that we made that decision right away and it made no sense.Could we have? Do you know that those discussions weren't had? I'd say they likely were in contact with Jagr. Maybe like a lot of people he doesn't want to play here? He signed in Dallas, got traded to Boston, and then left to re-sign in New Jersey. Maybe he just wants to play in low pressure markets? Plus, he's much more familiar with the New York area (does he have a house there?). Maybe Montreal wasn't somewhere he would consider. You don't know that.
Beaulieu is going to be really good.
We've all moved on.
Then McD makes a great play.... then its brought up in conversation. Then NBC or CBC or now Rogers brings it up... Then another thread like this pops up...
Like I said, it won't end until he either retires or is traded. Get used to it.
What I'm saying is that we've moved on... but it will always come back up. And then it will be discussed. Then we will forget about it again until the next time.I'm confused what are you arguing?
Clearly we haven't all moved on, this thread exists. So no, you're wrong there.
Second point, yea, we agree, its gonna come up, don't let it bother you. The "get over it" part is that people need to stop making these threads. It won't happen, but, in a perfect world, we can only dream.
Also to be fair, at the time Samsonov was coming off a pretty decent playoff run with the oil.
I'm not calling for his head either but it was a bad move. That money could've been better spent elsewhere.RE: Breire , honestly I'm not a huge fan of the signing, but I'm not calling for MB's head over it. I think Free Agency in general is crap since the cap came into place. I'd much rather a Breire at 2 years then Lecavelier at 4 or Richards at 7 tho... or Clarkson at whatever he got... If you're gonna gamble with the UFA market, then 2 years at 4.25 isn't a bad way to do it.
I'm not calling for his head either but it was a bad move. That money could've been better spent elsewhere.
There were better options available and quite frankly getting a small over the hill center who we usually used as a winger on our 4th line made no sense.Eh, if we move him at the draft for like, any asset, I still think its a good move.
That's your opinion. Other people may not agree with it, you should learn this.
If Briere had gotten us into the finals or had like 5-10 goals in the playoffs this is a totally different discussion. It's a medium risk contract with a potentially high reward. We had the cap to make that happen, so I have no real issue with it.
Right, because you're counting the Tinordi trade as losing a 2nd rounder, which is frivolous arithmetic.