The city of Chatham actually has a population of 43,000, Chatham Kent is a result of amalgamation of the entire county of Kent. This comparison is ridiculous. And they don't even have any concrete plans for a new arena . this team in not moving anywhere any time soon .
Sarnia Sting 2018-19 Season Thread
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I don't need to check a thing. I'm from Toronto. Average for the Marlies in recent years has been decent but the average is still around 2,000 from a full building. Their average is also inflated by free tickets given to other major Toronto sports teams SSH's, other free or bogo promotions as well as SSH's get loads of free tickets including free round 1 & 2 playoff tickets.
If you knew how to read I said CHATHAM-KENT
Lambton County has 25,000 more people in population then chatham-Kent...when the nova expansion starts do you realize how many out of town skilled tradesman are going to be here spending their ot money, and that will be a 4-5 project roughly... the sting will benefit from that I’m sure
Chatham and Chatham Kent is like comparing your home town Toronto to Ontario...check your geography
I do know how to read.....Lambton County is still bigger than chatham Kent, and sarnia is twice the size of chatham.... what is your point that? chatham/chatham-Kent has smaller populations in both categories?
Lol the city of Chatham is is 40k .... you can do those magic tricks by adding Chatham-Kent to the name by adding the whole county of Kent. This isn't minor hockey. Lol please explain more of this Chatham population boom ... seems pretty stagnant over the years to me. Explain what aspects Sarnia are declining in? lol All is a large blanket statement.
If Chatham builds an arena and gets a team likely thu expansion it sounds like a great rival with Sarnia already.
Be a great rival and I think would bring fans from chatham herevto watch and other way around too... ya sarnia is twice the size and with the big nova expansion coming the sting are going to see bigger crowds in those 4-5 years with out of town workers having tones of extra money and having nothing to spend it on... looks like getting drunk at the sting game and casino for them lolol
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Gotta believe that’s the end of Coffin’s OHL career.
Hughes again proved that he is unable to make that big save to keep the team in the game when they had a flicker of hope in the 2nd. (The D did part like the Red Sea on that goal but you’ve still gotta find a way to stop that puck)
Exactly the team we thought we had - questionable goaltending, middle of the road squad. 3 points in 3 games - about what we’d expect.
Not last year’s team, but on the right night might beat anybody.
Give Langevin at least 50%of the remainder of the season and let him develop.
Trade 19 & 20 year olds in Dec/Jan...
Hughes again proved that he is unable to make that big save to keep the team in the game when they had a flicker of hope in the 2nd. (The D did part like the Red Sea on that goal but you’ve still gotta find a way to stop that puck)
Exactly the team we thought we had - questionable goaltending, middle of the road squad. 3 points in 3 games - about what we’d expect.
Not last year’s team, but on the right night might beat anybody.
Give Langevin at least 50%of the remainder of the season and let him develop.
Trade 19 & 20 year olds in Dec/Jan...
I'm still not sure why the Sting brought up Coffin. He was absolutely trash with the Legionnaires last year and got pulled in many of his starts. Hughes is just as bad however if we are able to get anything in return for him he should be moved. I still believe if Langevin got 2 out of 3 starts this weekend we would be 2-1 instead of the opposite. Very tough 2 games coming up with Owen Sound & London coming on Friday & Saturday. Langevin should receive both starts. Give Hughes the Start in Flint with Langevin the home Flint & Saginaw the following weekend.
I can’t believe the amount of negativity and trashing of kids on this forum .
Sarnia fans should be extremely grateful that Hatcher and Legwand bought this sorry franchise . You ‘d have to be brain dead not to notice the huge improvement in the quality of players and on ice product since these guys have taken over .
In their first year the team won the West Division the first time since 2004 and piled up 105 points . In their second year the laughingstock of the OHL was the number one team in the country for 14 weeks !
The elimination in the second round was disappointing last year but it’s only been 2 years and these guys clearly know what they are doing and I guarantee you they will succeed eventually .
Sarnia fans should be kissing the owners a$$es for sticking around which such mediocre support . The players in the league get it even if the fans don’t as Sarnia is no longer considered a “ don’t bother “ destination .
Also , I can’t believe there are people on this forum referring to the play of kids who dedicated their lives to the game as “ trash “ . These people are beneath contempt . That is a description that is more applicable to them .
Sarnia fans should be extremely grateful that Hatcher and Legwand bought this sorry franchise . You ‘d have to be brain dead not to notice the huge improvement in the quality of players and on ice product since these guys have taken over .
In their first year the team won the West Division the first time since 2004 and piled up 105 points . In their second year the laughingstock of the OHL was the number one team in the country for 14 weeks !
The elimination in the second round was disappointing last year but it’s only been 2 years and these guys clearly know what they are doing and I guarantee you they will succeed eventually .
Sarnia fans should be kissing the owners a$$es for sticking around which such mediocre support . The players in the league get it even if the fans don’t as Sarnia is no longer considered a “ don’t bother “ destination .
Also , I can’t believe there are people on this forum referring to the play of kids who dedicated their lives to the game as “ trash “ . These people are beneath contempt . That is a description that is more applicable to them .
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I couldn't agree more. IMO the organization took a huge leap forward under the Hatcher/ Legwand ownership group.Luckily the Ciccarelli's did leave some pretty good pieces like Sinclair and some pretty good players. I've been impressed with what these guys have done with that. 105 points the first year is nothing to sneeze at .
The only thing I haven't been crazy about is the number of second rounders they have dealt to go for it last year. They did get stung ( pardon the pun ) a bit with that because with 8 OA's on the roster it looks like they will get very little in return.
However, it looks like the 2001 draft class was a great draft and Sting fans should be excited to see that group mature together because by next year this year should be right back into the mix as being a very competitive team . That is directly a function of good drafting and good development. The good development part was never part of the mix under the old management.
I've gotta laugh when I read comments that suggest that Hatcher was in any way responsible for the fact that in the first 23 years of the organization the team only got out of the first round of the playoffs twice. A lot of fans were upset that the team didn't beat Kitchener last year in the second round but his group wasnt responsible for previous failures.
Anybody should be able to see that the product on the ice is vastly improved and the team has a lot of talent. This is going to be a developmental year and the team may lose in the first round of the playoffs but this is a vastly better organization than it used to be so I can't understand all the hand wringing and whining either.
True. London couldn't even keep a AA Detroit Tigers franchise around (in a beautiful ball park) because nobody would fill seats. Got to watch Travis Fryman play there. Me and about 7 other people. By the 4th year they had the crummiest attendance in the league, even though having several All Stars on the team..granted under .500 but was still fun and entertaining baseball to watch. And the Knights. They couldn't give away tickets for free for a while there. Quite a few 1st or 2nd round exits (and missing playoffs altogether a bunch of times) up until even the mid 90s. Not until Hunter's came did it ever turn round. I give credit to Hatcher/Legwand for their efforts in Sarnia turning this franchise around as much as they have, so far, even if a beer is ridiculously over priced.
No one ever suggested Hatcher is responsible for the past ownership. Please copy and paste where someone has said that???? The Sarnia sting are still the Sarnia sting. Hatcher is new but the team is not. I may be mistaken but Sarnia was rated #1 Canada under the Cicarellis. If not 1 then top 3. Cicarelli's deserve a ton of credit, they brought the team to Sarnia and were competitive right off the bat selling out for 4? straight years with a new arena. I would be willing to bet Sarnia's first 4 years are equal to Hatchers first 4 years. We will see where the organization is in 2 years when his son is too old. Making the playoffs in the OHL is literally the easiest thing to do lets set the bar higher. Under Hatcher Sarnia has had arguably 2 of the top 5 teams Sarnia has ever had and those 2 teams combined for 1 playoff series win.
Oh please, These are young men 18,19 20,21 year old for goodness sake. This is an opinion forum. They are one or two Steps away from the NHL. To say they are kids is ridiculous.
Mediocre support is more than this organization deserves. Sarnia had 2 golden opportunities to ignite interest back into the team then they fizzle out twice in the playoffs. We will see where the team is in 2 years when Hatchers kid is gone. Spending first round picks on guys that don't wanna play here seems amateur at best. I hope I'm wrong.
Yes Hatcher and Legend deserve some credit I will give them that. The teams play harder and they appear to never be basement dwellers. I like some of the moves they have been making. But, to anoint them successes and guaranteed future success after 3? seasons is a bit much. Like I said before I hope I am wrong. Would love to get our season tickets back.
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What I’ve seen in the three Hatcher/Legwand year’s is an organization committed to win. What I saw from the Ciccarelli era looked more like a commitment to middle of the pack.
Hatcher committed to excellence when he acquired Konecny - who knew that TK would get injured for the playoff run. Also that year, they tried something very risky with 2 high draft picks from US - if they report, they’re heroes; they didn’t and we pay the price - oh well. When the high risk stuff pays off, that’s when you excel - fortune favors the bold!
Who’d have guessed that neither TK or Chychrun would be back the next year - did well to make middle of the pack - had same issue London had last year (London sold off and appears good for the next couple years)
Last year speaks for itself. Great team, ran into a couple of hot goaltenders and in the end got distracted by Givani Smith and lost to a pretty good Kitchener team. Still I believe the Admin and coaching staff have made the absolute best of what they have.
They have an entirely different situation this year with a team that I believe is not as good as last year’s, with more flaws and a lower ceiling, which I believe ought to be dismantled at some point in an effort to be great in 2 years. We sit with a gap in 2nd round picks, but an excellent scouting staff and the experience from the Weiss/Samuelsson draft to pick the “right” kids. I am nothing but optimistic for the 2020-21 season and am mor then willing to be patient with a mid-talent hustling team in the interim.
Whatever the case I believe this owner is different, in a better way and will support them 100%. (but reserve the right to call a spade a spade in terms of daily performance)
Cheers!
The Sarnia Sting may the same old team to you but for anybody has been paying attention this new version this is clearly a very different team. The emphasis on talent and development should be pretty apparent. The Hatcher ownership group had absolutely NOTHING to do with the futility of the first 23 years. The fans that hold them accountable for that are totally out to lunch.
Prominent in a long list of failures under the Ciccarelli's the team was incapable of developing their own goaltender. They constantly traded away prospects for Overage goalies because of knee jerk moves which didn't allow goaltenders to be developed properly. The team wasn't the bottom feeder of the league for no reason. The Sting were terrible at developing under the old management. Need more proof - Just look up the stats.
In contrast the Hatcher group in just 2 years already made a concerted effort to develop their players in house just like they are doing know with their 01 group. In just one year you can see the marked development in these kids.
In regards to the moderate early success of the team anyone who knows the team's history knows this was due to the fact that Mark Hunter was originally calling all the shots with minimal ownership interference. This changed dramatically along the way until Hunter got fed up and quit and went onto huge success with the Knights.
And just so you don't miss the point nobody is claiming the Hatcher Group are Rainmakers but the early indications are that they are a professional group that are doing the right things. The least Sting fans can do is them a chance to execute because even though the team " is still the Sarnia Sting " they had nothing to do with the way the team was run in the past.
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Not sure how you think Chatham can support a team.Not a chance.Disposable income in Chatham and Wallaceburg is very low at best.Not here slamming Chatham=Kent but they do have numerous money issues not only as a municipality. There needs to be a lot of sponsorship and draw in area which are both lacking.No arena which wont be built without huge grants from the Federal and Provincial Governments who have already stated there will be no money available for new arenas.
Didn’t hatcher/Sinclair not gamble on Perrault in the first round this year? Couldn’t he have played USHL or USNTDP ? He came over and is already putting up good numbers in his rookie season... I think Hatcher thought it would be easier to get the Americans to come over because he’s an American and has ties to the honeybaked aaa program, and the draft they wasted a lot of picks on Americans early I think they learned its harder then they thought to get them to commit and realized unless they get a verbal commitment not to take chances on them until the later rounds like the knights and other teams do.. I believe the only reason they used the 5th round on schingoethe is because they thought Perrault might be able to persuade him to come with him to sarnia and that’s still a possibility. These guys are new to the ohl and I believe they learned from that mistake and are going to be better for it, as for the quality of players and development of each player, I think they are much better in that aspect then years prior to the new ownership, I believe Sinclair only had a year or two as gm before Hatcher came along, good on him keeping Sinclair in the fold.
I noticed how you conveniently left out the fact that there are many players in the league that are 17 ( especially on the Sting with a lot of 01 born players ) as well as a number of 16 years olds .
When anonymous internet posters say players play like “ trash” or are “trash “ it’s bullying plain and simple no matter how old the player ( many of whom still ARE kids ) is . This is 1978 anymore and people refuse to put up with this kind of stuff anymore .
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