For good reason. The only time he got something Pens-related wrong, it was because Morehouse lied to him.
Could you remind me again... which one was this?
For good reason. The only time he got something Pens-related wrong, it was because Morehouse lied to him.
Well, yeah, Bob is the only guy I trust and I believe he has a solid relationship with JR too so you know he understands JR better than most.Mckenzie is the only guy I believe anymore when it comes to this stuff.
It's always the risk you take thata for sure. I don't think we'd miss Maatta all that much IMO. i'm just hoping he doesn't go overboard and trade a guy like Letang or even Murray despite his struggles.Well, yeah, Bob is the only guy I trust and I believe he has a solid relationship with JR too so you know he understands JR better than most.
I'm more worried now about who we might lose now before things get really bad and we never really needed to move that player before someone else could come in and fix things with what we already have.
It's always the risk you take thata for sure. I don't think we'd miss Maatta all that much IMO. i'm just hoping he doesn't go overboard and trade a guy like Letang or even Murray despite his struggles.
Hold on to your butts.
I could see him taking some extraordinary measures to try and find a way to try and spark this thing and get it going, because time’s a wastin here.
McKenzie on Rutherford: “I’m not sure he’s finished dealing yet”
At this point, there might not be anyone willing to take him [Murray].
@Tom Hanks
There's currently some very good coaches sitting at home... one has to wonder if Rutherford would be willing to make that move... and how much rope those cups bought Sullivan. I wonder if there's a way to compromise in canning Recchi and getting one of them to be an assistant coach to see how things go, with the understanding that if a change is made, they'll get the gig.
I read in the last thread that Dumoulin might be a target for Anaheim. I don't know if that's true or not but I'd be 100% against it. He's our most reliable defensive defensemen. That IMO would be foolish! We need more such players, not less!
And if they aren't at that level at least someone with a modicum of skill and hockey sense who doesn't constantly feed the oppositions transition with errand passes or skates in quick sand. Nothing flashy, just a hard working consistent good first pass depth defender. Not the easiest thing to find but certainly not the hardest either.
The fact that it's Bobby Mac saying that scares the **** out of me. That's basically coming right from JR.
At this point, I think JR would be smart to find this year's version of Vokoun as a safety net for Murray. Ryan Miller might be that, but I don't think the Ducks would trade him to the East. Any good moves JR makes will be negated if Murray isn't playing well.
That's assuming Murray's not the trade. I'm not sure how much value he's got at the moment, but if he's got any its no longer unthinkable.
I can't see any scenario where Murray gets traded because it sounds incredibly difficult to get a better goalie than him in-season. Who are you even going to trade him for? The only teams who would trade their starting goalie are bad teams, which tend to have bad goalies.
I may be missing some names, but the only 3 legit starting goalies I can think of that were traded in-season in the last decade were Luongo, Miller and Bishop. Miller and Bishop were rentals, too. Pretty much every starter in the NHL today were either off-season acquisitions, guys that developed in their system or reclamation projects that they got in-season. I think the lone exception at this point is Luongo, and Dubnyk is the sole reclamation project acquired in-season that is still a starter.
Hold on to your butts.
I could see him taking some extraordinary measures to try and find a way to try and spark this thing and get it going, because time’s a wastin here.
McKenzie on Rutherford: “I’m not sure he’s finished dealing yet”
Watch -- my fan-fic trades come true.
Oh god, anytime anyone uses the word "fan-fic" when it comes to the Penguins just brings back PTSD of that Sheary/Sullivan fan-fic
I brought this up in the thread on the trade boards, but I wonder how much of a fit Oleksiak in Anaheim would be. He helps them with their LD problem they currently have, can play either LD or RD for them when everyone is healthy and they definitely have the defensemen capable of insulating him. Having both Johnson and Oleksiak on the Penguins is redundant, and trading Oleksiak both opens a spot for a right handed defenseman and a defenseman the Penguins need more. It also clears out a good amount of cap space, since you don't have to be spending $2.1 million on your #6 defenseman.
Just a thought I was having, I think you may benefit from looking to do something like Oleksiak for Cogliano. Or maybe Oleksiak for Ritchie is a reasonable suggestion for a trade.
Hold on to your butts.
I could see him taking some extraordinary measures to try and find a way to try and spark this thing and get it going, because time’s a wastin here.
McKenzie on Rutherford: “I’m not sure he’s finished dealing yet”
So I think the sense of urgency with the window still open but closing in the future that he’s going to be even more aggressive. So I think he wants to see with a healthy Crosby in the lineup and Tanner Pearson in the lineup and everybody kind of being read the riot act that this is unacceptable, I think he wants to see how they respond to that - give them an opportunity.
lol what?
Yeah that's what stuck out to me, too.
But after they get their asses handed to them by Buffalo tonight (and I can't even remember how long it's been since I was so confident about Buffalo beating this team) making them 0-3 since the Hagelin trade, I wonder if his patience runs out.
JR also made this comments on November 9th.More important quote in there is this one:
So could be awhile given that Crosby isn’t even in the lineup yet.
Bah. Tonight's the night. Geno hat-trick! Just you see.
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More realistically, assuming Sid is only out for a week, I think his patience will last unless anyone changes their mind and gives him a deal he likes. And I think he's waiting for Sid to be back before getting drastic with guys like Guentzel or... well, someone else.
But now I think about it, a drastic move that's difficult with salary sounds more like Guentzel than anyone, and Rutherford's publicly criticised him. Feels obvious to me.
Side note... Skinner evidently wants 9-9.5M from Buffalo to avoid heading to market.
I understand starting high when negotiating and he's clearly having a nice season so far but holy ****. That makes Nylander's ask look downright reasonable.
I would love to think so, my friend. But I think Geno is, at best, on autopilot right now. Absolutely no help as ES... team is in shambles. His confidence seems extremely low and frustration extremely high. Honestly I'm impressed he's holding it together even this much.
Ultimately I think you're right. As BMac points out, it only makes sense that he'd want to see the team with his best player back in the lineup and how much that changes the dynamic, if at all. But JR is certainly not known for his restraint.
As for Guentzel? A month ago I'd have written a paragraph++ explaining why that's a really bad idea. Now? Eh... go for it. We all know what he's done in the playoffs but he's been miserable this season and there are like two guys total who should be safe.
Empoleon8771 said:So hypothetical what if scenarios count for more than actual production nowadays. Good to know.
I'll say it again, 6>0. Just because you want to arbitrarily bring up points/60, as if it's a stat that means anything, doesn't erase that fact. Sheary is actually producing, the fact that you have to rely on per 60 stats over actual raw production stats just shows how biased you are in the discussion. Since you're so obsessed with points/60, let's bring up goals/60:
Sheary: 1.18 goals/60
Sprong: 0 goals/60
Brassard: .422 goals/60
Rust: .224 goals/60
Cullen: .567 goals/60
Sheahan: .254 goals/60
Hagelin: .241 goals/60
Look at all of that amazing goal scoring that the Penguins depth players are producing. They totally don't need a guy like Sheary, who's actually capable of scoring goals. They're doing amazingly so far.