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  1. madinsomniac

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    I think Jarry could end up better than Murray but frankly he isn’t now and it make no sense to have him backlogged... move him before the expansion draft or waivers get him
     
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    He could be but it’s still a longer shot. We won’t find out here anyway. Jarry might stay the season but definitely gone by summer.
     
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    I wouldn't even count out Murray being traded with JR you just never know !!
     
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    The draft picks, yes...but they could get prospects too that are ready or nearly ready for the NHL...
     
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    Jarry to Carolina for Ferland is about as predictable of a trade as a 2nd for Hainsey in 2017 was, so I'm fully expecting that to happen within a month.
     
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    That or they plan to trade a signed DeSmith. However given how favorable his contract is, I'd imagine that they'll be moving Jarry. Either way given that Jarry needs waivers next season, one of them will almost certainly be traded this spring/summer.
     
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    Even KK took 4 seasons after the trade to Toronto to be an impact player/be anything other than marginal depth. And he was part of a deal for a 28 yr old Kessel. Yes we might not just get picks... but I think in general people are vastly overstating what we'd get and how soon we'd see those players (picks/prospects/etc) making an impact on this team.

    I'm not saying I wouldn't do it, or that it's a bad idea (to get an FA and trade Kessel for assets), just that I don't think most people have a realistic grasp on the timeline those prospects/picks will take to actually help us. And of course that's assuming that they make it as NHLer's (which is always a risk in and of itself).
     
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    Weal was one of the few potential 3C targets the Penguins could have gone after, if they decided they didn't like Brassard.
     
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    Pens would have to make an additional move to fit him under the cap. But I agree.

    Unless I completely forget how the cap works.
     
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    They can probably bring him in right now and worry about the cap once Schultz gets back. He only makes like $1.75 million, so I have a feeling it may be pretty easy to fit him in.
     
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    Yeah, I think you are correct.

    Pittsburgh Penguins - CapFriendly - NHL Salary Caps

    CURRENT CAP SPACE [​IMG]$4,623,333
     
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    Based on what?
     
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    Capfriendly estimates us finishing 117K under the cap at the end of the season so we’d have to move someone out to fit him in. We need a buffer after the deadline for injury callups too.
     
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    You can get pretty close to fitting in Ferland by just demoting Riikola and Grant. I think that's a moderately reasonably scenario, the only one being more likely is trading Sheahan IMO.

    I don't think it's worth using Capfriendly to judge the Penguins cap, it's so convoluted that fan run websites just can't do it. I think it's easy to say that Ferland makes so little money that the Penguins could pretty easily fit him in, regardless of whether they make a trade or not.
     
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    Just fitting in isn’t a good choice though. Grant is already in because of injury and Riikola going down means we have 6D so I imagine someone goes to bring anyone in. Sheahan makes sense
     
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    Letang to all star game
     
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    Weal is more a winger though. Also...he's not any good.
     
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    I think Sheahan is as good as gone. Grant is as good and is 1/3 the cap hit of Sheahan...maybe Jarry+and Sheahan for Ferland
     
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    I know some people have suggested Rutta, he's now in tampa. I like that return a lot for Chicago
     
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    Rutta has shown more than Slater.

    Slater has more upside.


    I like the deal for Tampa.
     
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    Good, he deserved to be there.
     
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    We only have 6 D with Riikola sent down? We have 8 D right now and that will become 9 when Schultz is back. Just demoting Riikola and waiving/trading Ruhwedel gets you really close to the $1.75 million cap hit Ferland has, plus there is the option of salary retention.

    I mostly agree though, Sheahan out seems to be the most likely scenario. I just think they could make it work without trading Sheahan if they really wanted to keep him. I don't know why you would want to keep Sheahan, especially with Crosby and Guentzel starting to PK a lot more, I just think you can if you want to.
     
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    Forgot about Ruh :laugh:
     
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    Ferland is alright. Not much better than Pearson but is more physical. His parents spelled his name wrong though, so that bothers me.
     
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    Yeah doing the math quickly, you can hit the cap you need by demoting Ruhwedel, Riikola and Grant while bringing in Ferland. You'd only have a 22 man roster, but you would end up running with say:

    Guentzel-Crosby-Rust
    Pearson-Malkin-Hornqvist
    Ferland-Brassard-Kessel
    Sheahan/ZAR-Cullen-Simon
    ZAR/Sheahan

    Dumoulin-Letang
    Maatta-Schultz
    Pettersson-Johnson
    Oleksiak

    I'm pretty sure this lineup falls under the cap, but it's a legitimate question if it's worth keeping Sheahan to be the borderline 12th/13th forward at $2.1 million. Trading Sheahan and running with a 23 man roster is probably the better option, but if they're scared of potential injuries for a top-9 forward and want Sheahan as insurance, I could see them pushing to keep him.
     
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