Ice9
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Doan kind of interesting. I'd say a younger guy to grow with that group would be nice but also understand an older, mentoring coach. I go young...never liked all the retreads.
I want Keefe so bad, a young coach not even 40 yet, who can lead us back to the playoffs and be here for 10+ years.
Look at the list of players who have and are flourishing under him.
Nylander
Kapanen
Hyman
Brown
Johnsson
Moore
Dermott
Grunstrom
Leivo
Sandin
Rosen
Bracco
Good scouting, good organization sure but Keefe has to be given ample credit.
If the Leafs fire Babcock, I’d love to bring him in for an interview, they tell him to F off.
Does Yzerman bring Babcock back to Detroit?
Ron Paul for next Sabres coach???I'd like something to happen just to have something happen.
This is some major league speculation. I doubt most of the players would know either if they hit them with their car (bonus points for getting the Pat Burns/Bill Berg reference!). Who gives a **** what the fans in the area think, most fans aren't particularly knowledgeable to begin with.
Not terribly far-fetched. Sabres need leadership. Leadership is different from coaching. Coaching and leadership are different from motivation. etc., etc., I posted several pages back a mutli-headed approach may be best. Trying to find a silver-bullet candidate to fill all roles... If one doesn't exist, do you allow a deficiency to go unchecked, or do you fill it in other ways?Anyone think Gronborg could accept an assistant position?
Maybe Martin and Gronberg are Tippet's assistants.
Similarly, why would Gronberg agree to go to Rochester? And why would BUF put him there when they have Taylor?Sorry but Tippet is only going to be a head coach, he wont become an assistant especially to Gronberg who is inexperienced.
I dont know what you guys see about Gronberg? He gets to coach the best players of Sweden, he doesnt have mediocre players like Buffalo does.
He would be in way over his head, put Gronberg down in Rochester first.
I want the next Sabres coach to have no problem calling out Botterill for the ROR trade, regardless of whether Botts did it on his own or was directed to by Pegulas and say to all of them - Jason, Kim, Terry - "You ever pull another trade that stinks as bad as that one reeks while I'm coaching your team, then you'll need a new coach come Sept. 1."Botts is learning in every interview with a veteran NHL coach how poor his ROR trade is viewed... so now he's sending out the message that he'll let coaches work with talent (Risto) and not just throw the coach under the bus with his trades.
that's the Sobotka dilemma in a nutshell. tons of d-zone TOI because he can never gain possession / clear the zone. Unlike Housley, Tippett would include a bus ticket with his report card to Vlad.Those Coyotes teams had virtually no high end talent on paper but they played with a TON of structure. He's shown he can win in that situation, and in a more talented situation in Dallas. He is IMO one of the best candidates on the market, I just think most of us felt he was committed to Seattle. Also, almost all of the teams left in the playoffs play very good defensive hockey, so not sure why you sneer at that notion.. It's crucial come the post season. This team is in desperate need for structure.
This quote is regarding his time in Dallas.
"We had a player that was supposed to be a great, shut-down defenseman. He was supposedly the be-all, end-all of defensemen. But when you did a 10-game analysis of him, you found out he was defending all the time because he can’t move the puck.
"Then we had another guy, who supposedly couldn’t defend a lick. Well, he was defending only 20 percent of the time because he’s making good plays out of our end. He may not be the strongest defender, but he’s only doing it 20 percent of the time. So the equation works out better the other way. I ended up trading the other defenseman."
Dave Tippett And Thinking About Defense Differently
From a more recent article when he joined Seattle, regarding analytics:
“It’s a useful tool,” he said. “I’ve done my own analytics program since I started coaching. I had a whole system that I’ve built through that XOS. Some numbers like Fenwick and Corsi, they’re garbage. They’re garbage because they come off the stats upstairs. Every stat that I keep comes off a video that I watch, a scoring chance that I’ve watched and whose involved in it.”
Dave Tippett hired to set up NHL Seattle's foundation - NHL to SEATTLE
A lot easier to mold and motivate youth in a common situation, who haven't cashed in yet, and know no demonstrably different alternative in life. Aside from the physical fitness / health aspects, it's also one reason why the American military in draft-era times, sought 19 year-olds as their largest age cohort for drafting.Why don’t NHL GMs dip into the college coaching pool more often? Seems like a good source
Sabres are in trouble. Eichel needs to learn how to play a 200-foot game, dominate possession on more shifts, play with intensity on all shifts, routinely make those around him better, etc. A player like ROR (only using as example) makes 70% of #9's $$$ and delivers the same counting stats but 50% more total-game impact.The next stage of their development is learning how to work in a system something a coach like Tippet can provide.
@Chainshot @Jame you guys should be more specific on what type of development you mean because if its fundamental and Eichel and Reinhart haven't learned that yet than we are in trouble.
Right, which is why we are where we are. All we read from top NHL stars is how much they LEARN AND DEVELOP in the NHL from THEIR COACHES. NHL'ers are drafted on potential. They stay on performance and growth. Only a fraction of that is physical maturation.If two guys who are entering their 5th season in the NHL need to be developed then that's one hell of an indictment of this organization.
In 30-35 years of employment, I've never seen an organization choose its method of team improvement to be one where individuals work on things on their own time, without also (and in majority proportion) working on it collectively / in an integrated manner.a lot of players (I would say most) learn to develop their game in the offseason where they can get 1 on 1 coaching from a trainer whether its bulking up or working on a shot to thinking the defensive side of the game. [Not denying your point, but meaningless if not applied in a team system, with teammates. Develop a better shot, but with no increase in opportunities to use it because it's not integrated into the team/system, then it dies on the vine, just like any other skill in any other job which isn't given an opportunity to flourish.]
The main Sabres team doesnt need a coach to hold Eichel or Reinhart hands anymore going into their 5th season.
Develop players in the feeder system because this is why we set Rochester up or develop them in the offseason if they devote time to getting training.
But not devoid of a team system to integrate the improvements. Your rigid reasoning was also causing several of us to take umbrage in the Tage Thompson thread. Developmental need is a continuum, and different for all individuals, regardless of job / field of work, and regardless of age / career length. Your reasoning sometimes comes across as though it stops at the NHL level, and particularly in-season, surrounded by teammates doing the same job as each other. It's a peculiar stance. It infers one of three possibilities, or combinations:No. Its them failing themselves from actually taking time out from learning. There are plenty of trainers/ex players willing to work with you in the off season. I can almost bet every single coach (even Housley) has pointed out flaws in their game to them. Its then on them to correct it themselves. The coach cant magically play for you to correct the mistakes once they are pointed out. It's on the coach to explain their mistake and for the player themselves to learn how they made their mistake and to practice and correct it.
If I had tens of millions of dollars raising a family living in the valley of the sun where I am beloved and valued, why do I come to Buffalo to coach?can we coax Doan out of retirement?
She's over-qualified for the nanny job, but if she knows a little hockey, I'd throw her name in the hat for the Sabres job.lol the Leafs can't force Keefe as an assistant on Babcock, especially in Toronto, would be a sideshow that blows up into an epic disaster.
It's like a middle aged husband announcing to his wife 'I've got grrrrreat news honey. I hired us a live in nanny. She's 23 years old, an amazing girl, a former bikini model, speaks 4 languages, has a masters degree in Human Sexuality, loves children and older men!'
if Stevie y is smart (which most of the hockey world thinks he is) there's no way he tries to bring Babs back to Detroit. he hasn't even managed to get one of the most talented rosters in the world out of the 1st round of the playoffs yet.....If the Leafs fire Babcock, I’d love to bring him in for an interview, they tell him to F off.
Does Yzerman bring Babcock back to Detroit?
Late to the party... I didn’t think for a second that Tippett was a name in the equation. I thought he was pretty locked in to that expansion situation out there.
Any chance the VGK news means McPhee takes another turn at the expansion role with Seattle?
They talk a lot about Babcock to Buffalo or Edmonton in theory and if Toronto would be better served to trade Babcock or to keep him.
They talk a lot about Babcock to Buffalo or Edmonton in theory and if Toronto would be better served to trade Babcock or to keep him.
I'm reasonably sure the leafs can't simply trade Babcock like a player. If that were the case, teams, since they have to pay out their contract anyways if they fire them, would simply re-assign them to "Special assistant scout" or some other bull**** role, and make teams pay them assets for them. Now, if another team wanted Babcock (and he wanted to go there), the teams could come to an agreement to let Babcock out of his contract so he could sign there.
Babcock isn't going to get a call "You've been traded to Edmonton, pack your ****"
Even if Babcock was already free, I wouldn't have followed him, at least not right away. Options Gronborg, Keefe and Tippett look for me more interesting.
They talk a lot about Babcock to Buffalo or Edmonton in theory and if Toronto would be better served to trade Babcock or to keep him.
If Babcock were on the open market, then I'm guessing Keefe is off the market as he is the logical replacement in Toronto.
Lots more tweets out there with snippets of the interview.
Thanks! I will give a listen shortly!
You will have to listen for me. WGR is blocked by the work firewall...
Sounds like something that would’ve been classified under a productivity issue on my old company’s firewall.