Ryan Johansen

[CBJ goalie]

Interesting....of those 10, the only ones I could see even attempting an offer sheet would be Calgary, Carolina, and Nashville.
Arizona - wouldn't do it for obvious reasons.
Colorado - wouldn't want to upset their chemistry, IMO.
Minnesota? - surprised to see them on the list with the $$$ they've been throwing around to Parise, Suter, Pominville, Vanek, etc.....
Montreal - I just don't see them making a bold move, but they did surprise us by getting Vanek, so....
New Jersey - Lou learned his lesson with Kovalchuk and big contracts.
San Jose - has other things to worry about.
Winnipeg - just no.......

 

[jiminygillickrs]

I doubt he gets offersheet'd.

More than likely he eventually resigns with you guys. Alternatively, a team trades for his rights.

 

[Samkow]

Interesting....of those 10, the only ones I could see even attempting an offer sheet would be Calgary, Carolina, and Nashville.
Arizona - wouldn't do it for obvious reasons.
Colorado - wouldn't want to upset their chemistry, IMO.
Minnesota? - surprised to see them on the list with the $$$ they've been throwing around to Parise, Suter, Pominville, Vanek, etc.....
Montreal - I just don't see them making a bold move, but they did surprise us by getting Vanek, so....
New Jersey - Lou learned his lesson with Kovalchuk and big contracts.
San Jose - has other things to worry about.
Winnipeg - just no.......

This article is some of Portzline's better work.

The takeaway I got from it was that I'm 99% sure Johansen won't be offersheeted. Very few teams have the picks/salary room/desire required to offersheet him.

 

[Fro]

agreed Sam...if he does, teams will have to make room elsewhere to fit him in...we're in good shape there...just getting the term done...

 

[KeithBWhittington]

I will be shocked if he is offer sheeted. Of course, never hurts to give him a decent deal (even though as portzline says, the jackets will match) just to hamstring the team a little more, maybe we couldn't make as big a splash as Jarmo would want at the deadline? Say, something in the neighborhood of 4 or 5 years at 5.25? That would likely throw a wrench in the long term season plans for the CBJ. Might even lead to a missed opportunity at the playoffs?

 

[EspenK]

I will be shocked if he is offer sheeted. Of course, never hurts to give him a decent deal (even though as portzline says, the jackets will match) just to hamstring the team a little more, maybe we couldn't make as big a splash as Jarmo would want at the deadline? Say, something in the neighborhood of 4 or 5 years at 5.25? That would likely throw a wrench in the long term season plans for the CBJ. Might even lead to a missed opportunity at the playoffs?

5.25 is very doable. Jackets actually could absorb 7 or so both this year(not that I see that as likely) and long term without straining the cap imo. If he goes for a bridge and continues to produce i see 7 as his minimum next deal

 

[knowthejacketswell]

Does Hartnell buy his #19 when Joey resigns, or does the veteran take another number? Thoughts?

 

[Inglewood JACKets]

What if Jarmo called up a favor from another GM. "Hey offer sheet this kid to such and such so we can speed up this process."

 

[knowthejacketswell]

What if Jarmo called up a favor from another GM. "Hey offer sheet this kid to such and such so we can speed up this process."

That bit of collusion just opens a can of worms. When could we get it to stop. GM's doing favors for the other conference, but worrying about others interfering with theirs. Colossal failure. We couldn't do that.

 

[pete goegan]

Does Hartnell buy his #19 when Joey resigns, or does the veteran take another number? Thoughts?

He's already received #43.

 

[EspenK]

I have seen July 5 is the deadline for offer sheets to be presented. is this true? if so we're only 2 days away from knowing what happens.

 

[Samkow]

I have seen July 5 is the deadline for offer sheets to be presented. is this true? if so we're only 2 days away from knowing what happens.

I don't think there's any sort of timeline. Could happen in November.

 

[EspenK]

I don't think there's any sort of timeline. Could happen in November.

Yeah, I don't think there is a deadline for a guy in Joey's situation. If a club decides to take a player to arbitration that's when the July 5 deadline kicks in. I'm still trying to find a definitive answer but I think you are right.

 

[Inglewood JACKets]

That bit of collusion just opens a can of worms. When could we get it to stop. GM's doing favors for the other conference, but worrying about others interfering with theirs. Colossal failure. We couldn't do that.

Yeah I know. I'm just ready for this to be all over. I'm expecting to see a light at the end of the tunnel, only to find out it's a train.

 

[Bobcat110]

What if Jarmo called up a favor from another GM. "Hey offer sheet this kid to such and such so we can speed up this process."

Not sure how it could be done as a favor? If Jarmo offers a contract and Ryan says "No", then not sure that another GM offering same contract would get Ryan to say "yes" because Ryan would know that Jarmo would match.

Alternatively, if Ryan said I want X dollars for Y years and Jarmo said "No". How would it be a favor if another GM says "yes" and forces Jarmo to match at a higher amount than he wanted too?

Finally, would another GM even waste his time offering a middle of the road contract (one that brings Ryan down to a reasonable number) if that GM knows Jarmo would match. And if this new middle of the road contract is Jarmo's compromise, why not offer it himself. Really would look bad if Jarmo has to have another GM do his negotiating.

 

[Xoggz22]

This article is some of Portzline's better work.

The takeaway I got from it was that I'm 99% sure Johansen won't be offersheeted. Very few teams have the picks/salary room/desire required to offersheet him.

Agree 100%. Good work by Porty, although it actually goes deeper when you consider a long term deal(beyond 5 years) further impacts the compensation. The AAV would be calculated by the total contract value divided by #years or 5 - whichever is lower ($42MM for 7 years is actually not $6MM for compensation evaluation but $8.4MM so 4 1st round picks).

Also, Joey would have to actually be interested in the teams that may be in position to offer him a contract. There are a few on that list I would question - unless he truly is only driven by money. Very unlikely anything happens via offer sheet but more likely very little chance he leaves CBJ

 

[5StringBuzz]

When it comes to matching an offer sheet, what has to be matched? Is it total contract value, term, or both? Specifically, if another team offered a four-year term, could the CBJ offer a longer contract at the same annual value (which means higher total contract value)?

 

[pete goegan]

When it comes to matching an offer sheet, what has to be matched? Is it total contract value, term, or both? Specifically, if another team offered a four-year term, could the CBJ offer a longer contract at the same annual value (which means higher total contract value)?

I believe they have to match the terms exactly. In fact, they just accept the entire deal, as written.

 

[Mayor Bee]

What if Jarmo called up a favor from another GM. "Hey offer sheet this kid to such and such so we can speed up this process."

Then we could probably go ahead and start looking ahead to the 2016 draft, since anything resembling collusion (which this absolutely would be) would be swiftly and decisively punished by the league.

When it comes to matching an offer sheet, what has to be matched? Is it total contract value, term, or both? Specifically, if another team offered a four-year term, could the CBJ offer a longer contract at the same annual value (which means higher total contract value)?

An offer sheet is a bona fide contract offer that has been signed by the player. So for the player's original team to match it, they're taking everything: term, salary, bonuses, and the overall breakdown.

If you remember the NFL a few years ago, there were teams poaching each others' RFAs by inserting poison pill clauses in the offer sheet. It basically stipulated X number of years, X amount of salary, X signing bonus....then X (massive) bonus if the player played X number of games in the state that hosts the team that originally held the player's rights. Steve Hutchinson went from Seattle to Minnesota with no compensation because Minnesota had two provisions:
1) Hutchinson would get a huge bonus if he played more than X number of games in the state of Washington in a given year, and
2) Hutchinson's entire contract would be guaranteed if he wasn't the highest-paid lineman on his team. Minnesota had no such competition, while Seattle had Walter Jones coming up on free agency

Seattle then got back at Minnesota by signing Nate Burleson using a similar mechanism, with no compensation due because of a double poison pill. After that, the NFL very quickly banned that chicanery.

 

[cslebn]

Then we could probably go ahead and start looking ahead to the 2016 draft, since anything resembling collusion (which this absolutely would be) would be swiftly and decisively punished by the league.



An offer sheet is a bona fide contract offer that has been signed by the player. So for the player's original team to match it, they're taking everything: term, salary, bonuses, and the overall breakdown.

If you remember the NFL a few years ago, there were teams poaching each others' RFAs by inserting poison pill clauses in the offer sheet. It basically stipulated X number of years, X amount of salary, X signing bonus....then X (massive) bonus if the player played X number of games in the state that hosts the team that originally held the player's rights. Steve Hutchinson went from Seattle to Minnesota with no compensation because Minnesota had two provisions:
1) Hutchinson would get a huge bonus if he played more than X number of games in the state of Washington in a given year, and
2) Hutchinson's entire contract would be guaranteed if he wasn't the highest-paid lineman on his team. Minnesota had no such competition, while Seattle had Walter Jones coming up on free agency

Seattle then got back at Minnesota by signing Nate Burleson using a similar mechanism, with no compensation due because of a double poison pill. After that, the NFL very quickly banned that chicanery.

We could also look at the Shea weber contract with the instant 13 mil bonus the first four years and 8 mil two years after that each.

 

[Olandsns]

What if Jarmo called up a favor from another GM. "Hey offer sheet this kid to such and such so we can speed up this process."

Am I missing something here? He's going to negotiate terms the same regardless of who is offering the contract.

 

[Mayor Bee]

We could also look at the Shea weber contract with the instant 13 mil bonus the first four years and 8 mil two years after that each.

At least in the case of a massive signing bonus, it's still a legitimate tactic (albeit a dirty one in that case). Teams can use signing bonuses or adjusted salary scales all the time, and they do.

In the case of the Fedorov offer sheet from Carolina, which had a $26 million bonus if the team made the conference finals (Carolina obviously wasn't going to, Detroit most likely was), it was still merit-based.

The NFL ones I mentioned were just garbage.

The part about the Weber one that cracks me up was that Philly very carefully structured the salary to drive the compensation down, but they seemed unaware that the divisor of 5 is used on offer sheets longer than five years. So it still would have been four 1st-rounders. If the NHL really wanted to get rid of some of this crap, they'd make it so that the cap hit would have been the same as well...imagine Philly carrying a $22 million cap hit on Weber alone.

 

[Avs_19]

Interesting tidbit in today's Dispatch regarding teams that have a 1,2,3 and the apparent cap space to offer sheet Joey at up to 6.7 mill (or thereabouts)

http://bluejacketsxtra.dispatch.com/content/stories/2014/07/03/whats-he-worth.html




And at that level it is matched for certain.

Avs currently have their own issues with a young player looking to get PAID so they certainly won't be going after another team's RFA.

 

[Bobcat110]

Hilarious. Philly writer thinks Flyers, who are currently over the salary cap, have enough leverage that they could "threaten" Jarmo. Basically he says Hextall should tell Jarmo he has to trade Johansen to the Flyers or Flyers will offer sheet Johansen to an offer that CBJ can't match

http://www.nj.com/flyers/index.ssf/...splash_sign_ryan_johansen_to_offer_sheet.html

 

[Samkow]

Hilarious. Philly writer thinks Flyers, who are currently over the salary cap, have enough leverage that they could "threaten" Jarmo. Basically he says Hextall should tell Jarmo he has to trade Johansen to the Flyers or Flyers will offer sheet Johansen to an offer that CBJ can't match

http://www.nj.com/flyers/index.ssf/...splash_sign_ryan_johansen_to_offer_sheet.html

Well, since they don't remotely have the cap room to do it, sounds like a possibility.