Rumours & Trade & Free Agent Discussion 2019-2020

[Whileee]

Kuli certainly isn't worth what we are paying him, but I think someone will give him league minimum and not be sorry they did.

A lot of those pending UFA's will extend with their current teams before July 1. I think most of the rest will cost more than they are worth other than the depth players in the 1 mil range. Other than possibly retaining 1 or 2 of our own, I'm hoping we avoid the UFA market.

I'm assuming that we have Buff's money next year, one way or another.

If we don't have Buff's cap space, we have Buff. Either should be good to strengthen the D, along with Samberg and possibly Heinola.

 

[puck stoppa]

If we don't have Buff's cap space, we have Buff. Either should be good to strengthen the D, along with Samberg and possibly Heinola.

I really think the key to winning is not to spend big on D but on forwards much like the Pens did winning with scrubs on the back end. We had way too much money tied up on Ds last year. Next year I like the mix of the Jmo contract, some ELCs and some nice bargain deals like Pionk and Poolman. These guys aren’t scrubs either and just think of the money saved for the forwards. This seems like a nice unit going forward.

Morrissey Pionk
Heinola Samberg
Niku Poolman

We could slot Buff in or use his money to sign a guy for 3-4 million for the second pair.
Cheap vets in the press box and Stanley, Kovacevic, Gawanke filling the need down the road. One of those guys can hopefully be a regular in a couple years. I think we’re sitting pretty. Chevy ended up doing well in that Trouba deal not just on return but cap savings right now.

 

[10Ducky10]

Pesce for KV, 4th in 2022 and a 2nd in 2021?

 

[KingBogo]

Pesce for KV, 4th in 2022 and a 2nd in 2021?

I'd keep this proposal away from the trade boards. It won't play out very well.

 

[hn777]

If the Jets are looking for cheap deals on the right side: Demelo's having a decent season in Ottawa. LaDue maybe? Holl?

I like the idea of Holl. AFAIK, he is doing pretty well in Toronto on a league minimum deal. They really can't afford to offer him more, so if we just offer $1-1.5m AAV good chance, they can't match.

 

[ps241]

I really think the key to winning is not to spend big on D but on forwards much like the Pens did winning with scrubs on the back end. We had way too much money tied up on Ds last year. Next year I like the mix of the Jmo contract, some ELCs and some nice bargain deals like Pionk and Poolman. These guys aren’t scrubs either and just think of the money saved for the forwards. This seems like a nice unit going forward.

Morrissey Pionk
Heinola Samberg
Niku Poolman

We could slot Buff in or use his money to sign a guy for 3-4 million for the second pair.
Cheap vets in the press box and Stanley, Kovacevic, Gawanke filling the need down the road. One of those guys can hopefully be a regular in a couple years. I think we’re sitting pretty. Chevy ended up doing well in that Trouba deal not just on return but cap savings right now.

It all comes down to Goaltending. Pens had Fluery and a very hot Murray in their first of two B2B cup wins a few years back. That really helped prop up that weak D core.

 

[Evil Little]

I really think the key to winning is not to spend big on D but on forwards much like the Pens did winning with scrubs on the back end. We had way too much money tied up on Ds last year. Next year I like the mix of the Jmo contract, some ELCs and some nice bargain deals like Pionk and Poolman. These guys aren’t scrubs either and just think of the money saved for the forwards. This seems like a nice unit going forward.

Morrissey Pionk
Heinola Samberg
Niku Poolman

We could slot Buff in or use his money to sign a guy for 3-4 million for the second pair.
Cheap vets in the press box and Stanley, Kovacevic, Gawanke filling the need down the road. One of those guys can hopefully be a regular in a couple years. I think we’re sitting pretty. Chevy ended up doing well in that Trouba deal not just on return but cap savings right now.

That was another team with great goaltending.

Another team that the 'numbers' didn't really believe in.

 

[ps241]

Pesce for KV, 4th in 2022 and a 2nd in 2021?

Would you trade Morrissey for that package?

 

[puck stoppa]

That was another team with great goaltending.

Another team that the 'numbers' didn't really believe in.

I know our goalie will be that good too
And our Ds won’t be bad like that going forward but my point was not to tie up huge dollars back there in four guys.

 

[10Ducky10]

Would you trade Morrissey for that package?

No but I wouldn't trade Morrissey for Pesce either.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

If we don't have Buff's cap space, we have Buff. Either should be good to strengthen the D, along with Samberg and possibly Heinola.

I don't think we have Buff next year. Just my gut feeling for how things have gone, but I think he has played his last game as a Jet. One way or another.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

No but I wouldn't trade Morrissey for Pesce either.

And Canes fans wouldn't trade Pesce for Morrissey.

Rumour was they wanted Ehlers + for Pesce last off-season. Do you really think they would accept that offer?

 

[jgimp]

Pesce for KV, 4th in 2022 and a 2nd in 2021?

Nor even close to enough. And I love Pesce. Wanted him way back when his name was in rumours prior to their playoffs last year. He’s only gotten better since then

 

[ps241]

No but I wouldn't trade Morrissey for Pesce either.

I wouldn't either but their values are in a similar tier. If you are structuring a trade I think Morrissey is a fair benchmark as a shot gun comparable. By that I mean what you pitch for Pesce you would be willing to take for Josh.

 

[jgimp]

And Canes fans wouldn't trade Pesce for Morrissey.

Rumour was they wanted Ehlers + for Pesce last off-season. Do you really think they would accept that offer?

Pesce isn’t worth Ehlers. Pesce is a good #3. His team friendly deal ups his value a notch but so does Ehlers. I believe Chev would have flinched if the plus was on the other side.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Pesce isn’t worth Ehlers. Pesce is a good #3. His team friendly deal ups his value a notch but so does Ehlers. I believe Chev would have flinched if the plus was on the other side.

I wouldn't have considered it myself. Just saying that is where Carolina thought the value of Pesce was.

Since then, they have moved Faulk so are presumably not looking to move a RHD. That only makes the price higher, if anything. The suggested offer was nowhere close.

 

[Huffer]

And Canes fans wouldn't trade Pesce for Morrissey.

Rumour was they wanted Ehlers + for Pesce last off-season. Do you really think they would accept that offer?

There was no rumor that it was Ehlers +. Unless we're talking about HF posters.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

There was no rumor that it was Ehlers +. Unless we're talking about HF posters.

I wouldn't argue with that. I didn't say it was a rumour from a reliable source. I guess suggestion would be a better word than rumour. Point is the same though. KV plus a couple of lesser picks is not going to even start a discussion with Canes.

 

[Gm0ney]

I like the idea of Holl. AFAIK, he is doing pretty well in Toronto on a league minimum deal. They really can't afford to offer him more, so if we just offer $1-1.5m AAV good chance, they can't match.

Minnesota guy. 6'4" 210 lbs. Right handed. As a UFA he can shop around though - wonder if he's got any connections here. Wheeler? They both played for the Gophers.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

Why is there a need to do anything? I mean we are playing well right now, why expend assets when you don't have too? Why not wait till next year and see what you have with some of your young D? My guess is Samberg and Niku have really good shots at sticking next year. Heinola as well.

 

[Gm0ney]

Why is there a need to do anything? I mean we are playing well right now, why expend assets when you don't have too? Why not wait till next year and see what you have with some of your young D? My guess is Samberg and Niku have really good shots at sticking next year. Heinola as well.

I don't see the Jets rolling with 3 rookie defensemen in the starting lineup...especially when two are smallish and offensive-minded. Biggish and unskilled is more our style...

 

[jgimp]

I wouldn't have considered it myself. Just saying that is where Carolina thought the value of Pesce was.

Since then, they have moved Faulk so are presumably not looking to move a RHD. That only makes the price higher, if anything. The suggested offer was nowhere close.

yeah, I wouldn’t do it either. Ehlers is one of our most valuable players imo. Great zone entries, drawing penalties and dropping the gloves when needed . I’m in the camp that anyone is moveable, but only for the right price and Pesce isn’t it.
Besides, I think we have our own Pesce in the making in Samberg. I see similarities in Samberg’s game that reminds me of Pesce’s.

 

[ps241]

Why is there a need to do anything? I mean we are playing well right now, why expend assets when you don't have too? Why not wait till next year and see what you have with some of your young D? My guess is Samberg and Niku have really good shots at sticking next year. Heinola as well.

I would not spend significant asset this season to do anything either.

 

[10Ducky10]

[QUOTE="Gm0ney, post: 167717609, member: 135611"]I don't see the Jets rolling with 3 rookie defensemen in the starting lineup...especially when two are smallish and offensive-minded. Biggish and unskilled is more our style... [/QUOTE]
I can't see them starting 3 rookies either. That is one reason I would like to see Niku in the league this year.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

yeah, I wouldn’t do it either. Ehlers is one of our most valuable players imo. Great zone entries, drawing penalties and dropping the gloves when needed . I’m in the camp that anyone is moveable, but only for the right price and Pesce isn’t it.
Besides, I think we have our own Pesce in the making in Samberg. I see similarities in Samberg’s game that reminds me of Pesce’s.

I would run out and pay a high price for Pesce right now if he was available. I don't care about any similarity to Samberg. I would happily have a Pesce on each side if it develops that way. But that high price doesn't have Ehlers in it anywhere.

Roslovic, Niku, Vesalainen, Appleton, other Moose, picks, alone or in some combination could conceivable be in play.