Rumours & Trade & Free Agent Discussion 2019-2020

[jgimp]

I would run out and pay a high price for Pesce right now if he was available. I don't care about any similarity to Samberg. I would happily have a Pesce on each side if it develops that way. But that high price doesn't have Ehlers in it anywhere.

Roslovic, Niku, Vesalainen, Appleton, other Moose, picks, alone or in some combination could conceivable be in play.

Barring Samberg not signing I would def do a combo of Vesa, Stanley, Chisholm, Harkins or Spacek plus next years 1st but not his year. Deep draft and we need to restock a bit. Doesn’t matter. Pesce isn’t moving. He’s on a steal of a deal and really just starting to find his offensive side. He will be a Cane for a long time.
Would we be better off targeting someone like DeAngelo? Rangers are tough on cap. I’d be fine giving up Vesa+. Devils are probably looking at moving some pieces, what do you know about Severson?

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Barring Samberg not signing I would def do a combo of Vesa, Stanley, Chisholm, Harkins or Spacek plus next years 1st but not his year. Deep draft and we need to restock a bit. Doesn’t matter. Pesce isn’t moving. He’s on a steal of a deal and really just starting to find his offensive side. He will be a Cane for a long time.
Would we be better off targeting someone like DeAngelo? Rangers are tough on cap. I’d be fine giving up Vesa+. Devils are probably looking at moving some pieces, what do you know about Severson?

Pesce is the one I would want first. Exactly what we need, IMO. But you are right, he isn't going anywhere.

I don't know that DeAngelo is strong enough defensively for my liking.

I really don't know much about Severson except that he doesn't appear to be as highly thought of now as he was a few years ago. Price might be right if he is the right player for us.

 

[jgimp]

Pesce is the one I would want first. Exactly what we need, IMO. But you are right, he isn't going anywhere.

I don't know that DeAngelo is strong enough defensively for my liking.

I really don't know much about Severson except that he doesn't appear to be as highly thought of now as he was a few years ago. Price might be right if he is the right player for us.

Deangelo paired with Samberg might be a nice pairing. Deangelo definitely has a nice offensive upside and the two might work well together. Rangers could barely sign him this year and maybe he could be had for cheap. Rangers have a glut of RHD and not enough spots for them

 

[surixon]

I think we need to go the Trouba type route to find a dmen. Someone who will be approaching UFA but would be willing to sign here long term.

Players like Ryan Murray or David Savard fit the types of dmen we'd be looking to acquire.

Savard is a RD suppression specialist that could play with JoMo.

Murray is LD that is mobile and plays well in both zones.

Both are UFA's after next off-season.

 

[10Ducky10]

Samberg-Pionk would be an interesting pairing.
JMO-? (Buff or his replacement)
Samberg-Pionk
Heinola-Niku/Poolman

 

[10Ducky10]

I think we need to go the Trouba type route to find a dmen. Someone who will be approaching UFA but would be willing to sign here long term.

Players like Ryan Murray or David Savard fit the types of dmen we'd be looking to acquire.

Savard is a RD suppression specialist that could play with JoMo.

Murray is LD that is mobile and plays well in both zones.

Both are UFA's after next off-season.

I'd like to see Ryan Murray acquired (hopefully he stays healthy) and signed long term for a reasonable amount depending on how much he would cost; however, that would give us Niku?, Samberg, Heinola, Murray and JMo on the left side.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Deangelo paired with Samberg might be a nice pairing. Deangelo definitely has a nice offensive upside and the two might work well together. Rangers could barely sign him this year and maybe he could be had for cheap. Rangers have a glut of RHD and not enough spots for them

True, but we have Pionk for that. I'm looking for someone better than Poolman to partner with Josh on the 1st pair. Though, IIRC Josh and Pionk were pretty good together in a small sample.

Morrissey - Pionk
Samberg - DeAngelo
Heinola - Poolman
might be a pretty good lineup. That 1st pair are both pretty solid each way. Josh leaning a little more to D and Pionk leaning a little more to O. The other 2 pairs have one offensive and one defensive player each.

 

[jgimp]

True, but we have Pionk for that. I'm looking for someone better than Poolman to partner with Josh on the 1st pair. Though, IIRC Josh and Pionk were pretty good together in a small sample.

Morrissey - Pionk
Samberg - DeAngelo
Heinola - Poolman
might be a pretty good lineup. That 1st pair are both pretty solid each way. Josh leaning a little more to D and Pionk leaning a little more to O. The other 2 pairs have one offensive and one defensive player each.

that’s the exact lineup I was thinking

 

[surixon]

I'd like to see Ryan Murray acquired (hopefully he stays healthy) and signed long term for a reasonable amount depending on how much he would cost; however, that would give us Niku?, Samberg, Heinola, Murray and JMo on the left side.

I believe all of Murray/Heinola and Samberg have played RD so imo it wouldn't be a big deal.

JoMo - Pionk
Murray - Heinola
Samberg - Poolman

Or

JoMo Savard
Heinola/Samberg Pionk
Samberg/Heinola Poolman

 

[GeorgeJETson]

True, but we have Pionk for that. I'm looking for someone better than Poolman to partner with Josh on the 1st pair. Though, IIRC Josh and Pionk were pretty good together in a small sample.

Morrissey - Pionk
Samberg - DeAngelo
Heinola - Poolman
might be a pretty good lineup. That 1st pair are both pretty solid each way. Josh leaning a little more to D and Pionk leaning a little more to O. The other 2 pairs have one offensive and one defensive player each.

I have to admit, that would look like a pretty good D lineup.

 

[Whileee]

I still think the Jets' best option is to go after a UFA D - Vatanen, Brodie, Barrie, Hamonic, etc. There are plenty available. Why give up assets if you can use cap space to acquire a D as a UFA? With so many teams struggling with cap space and the glut of available UFA D next off-season, there might be some good value on the UFA market for D.

 

[jgimp]

I still think the Jets' best option is to go after a UFA D - Vatanen, Brodie, Barrie, Hamonic, etc. There are plenty available. Why give up assets if you can use cap space to acquire a D as a UFA? With so many teams struggling with cap space and the glut of available UFA D next off-season, there might be some good value on the UFA market for D.

It’s Winnipeg. Each one of those takes an overpay to get here (see, Kulikov) with exception of Hamonic which I’m not sure I would want. I think his play is going to fall off a cliff shortly and don’t want a repeat of Kuli’s contract. I think our best option is using a few assets like Vesa and some mid pics/prospects to try and pry a guy like Deangelo away from a RHD rich team. Doing that would ease some stress at draft day and allow us to draft BPA instead of trying to draft for need. If Buff is done with Peg and has intentions of wanting to play again, move him at the TDL for a 1st and B prospect (or visa/versa) to a team in the east who needs a RHD like Toronto or Washington. I would feel a lot better going into next year with ...

Morrissey/Pionk
Samberg/Deangelo
Heinola/Niku/Poolman
Dahlstrom

as well as 2 2020 1sts and our 2/3/5/6 picks if all we lose is Vesa and say Stanley in a Deangelo trade. What a difference from the start of this year.

 

[bumblebeeman]

Why isn't Niku included in any of these lineups. Surely he can be penciled in has a long term Jet?

 

[jgimp]

Why isn't Niku included in any of these lineups. Surely he can be penciled in has a long term Jet?

I did. I still have faith in him

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

I still think the Jets' best option is to go after a UFA D - Vatanen, Brodie, Barrie, Hamonic, etc. There are plenty available. Why give up assets if you can use cap space to acquire a D as a UFA? With so many teams struggling with cap space and the glut of available UFA D next off-season, there might be some good value on the UFA market for D.

So many teams are struggling with cap space because they have signed UFA's who don't earn their contracts.

Look at the record of bad value UFA signings. How many have had to be bought out well before they played out their contracts? Recent bad ones just off the top of my head include Shattenkirk, Sekera, Ladd, Kulikov, Neal, Lucic. I'm sure there are more. Maybe Tanev, Chiarot and Myers will be added to that list of bad ones.

Those guys you list are probably all going to get both too much money and too much term.

 

[Mortimer Snerd]

Why isn't Niku included in any of these lineups. Surely he can be penciled in has a long term Jet?

Until I see some sign of Maurice liking his game, I am ignoring him.

 

[Evil Little]

So many teams are struggling with cap space because they have signed UFA's who don't earn their contracts.

Look at the record of bad value UFA signings. How many have had to be bought out well before they played out their contracts? Recent bad ones just off the top of my head include Shattenkirk, Sekera, Ladd, Kulikov, Neal, Lucic. I'm sure there are more. Maybe Tanev, Chiarot and Myers will be added to that list of bad ones.

Those guys you list are probably all going to get both too much money and too much term.

Even Kulikov was a relatively low-dollar, reclamation-style signing, and the cost has been pretty staggering.

 

[kylbaz]

Think I asked before but how far away is samberg?

I think if flames are out hamonic is a no brainer assuming it doesnt cost a ton.

 

[Bob E]

Why isn't Niku included in any of these lineups. Surely he can be penciled in has a long term Jet?

He’s not in my line-up in the future. Unless you’re moving one or more of Morrissey, Heinola and Pionk.

 

[Joe Hallenback]

I think Samberg is physically ready to be an NHL pro. He also thinks the game very well which should bode well for a transition. You never really know but it is likely he steps into the lineup next year. He would be an ideal partner for Pionk being his Yang to Pionks Ying. A big moblie defender who can play the physical matchups, move the puck and skate. His offensive game will never be top notch but he won't hurt you either.

 

[10Ducky10]

I believe all of Murray/Heinola and Samberg have played RD so imo it wouldn't be a big deal.

JoMo - Pionk
Murray - Heinola
Samberg - Poolman

Or

JoMo Savard
Heinola/Samberg Pionk
Samberg/Heinola Poolman

No Niku?

 

[surixon]

No Niku?

I just don't think he is a Maurice type player. Maurice likely wants to balance roles and defenseman types. He has Morrissey, Poink, and Heinola for the skilled offensive puck moving dmen type. He will want some more stay at home physical dmen to balance that out. Samberg and Poolman are the likely inhouse options. Not saying I agree with that philosophy but that seems to be the way he likes to go. A Savard/Murray would fit that mold.

 

[Whileee]

So many teams are struggling with cap space because they have signed UFA's who don't earn their contracts.

Look at the record of bad value UFA signings. How many have had to be bought out well before they played out their contracts? Recent bad ones just off the top of my head include Shattenkirk, Sekera, Ladd, Kulikov, Neal, Lucic. I'm sure there are more. Maybe Tanev, Chiarot and Myers will be added to that list of bad ones.

Those guys you list are probably all going to get both too much money and too much term.

You might be right, but not if the cap is tight and their is a glut. Gardiner waited and ended up with just over $4M. I'm still in the camp of waiting and preserving assets until free agency and see what comes available. Maybe Hamonic wants to come home at a discount.

 

[Whileee]

I think Samberg is physically ready to be an NHL pro. He also thinks the game very well which should bode well for a transition. You never really know but it is likely he steps into the lineup next year. He would be an ideal partner for Pionk being his Yang to Pionks Ying. A big moblie defender who can play the physical matchups, move the puck and skate. His offensive game will never be top notch but he won't hurt you either.

Pionk is carrying Sbisa. He can certainly make a good pairing with Samberg.

 

[Fire Chevy]

Just a thought say Buff wants to return but not for the Jets what would the value be?