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[Jet Walters]

Why did they just trade Dion if not to make room for Karlsson?

Tell us about all the money they saved retaining 25% of Phaneuf's contract and taking Gaborik at full price. They save a bit the last two years of Gaborik's deal as his salary drops a little, but it's nothing substantial.

 

[Little Fury]

Tell us about all the money they saved retaining 25% of Phaneuf's contract and taking Gaborik at full price. They save a bit the last two years of Gaborik's deal as his salary drops a little, but it's nothing substantial.

Every penny counts. They can also buyout Gaborik and save a bit more in cash and clear some short term space. TDL isn't over yet, so I wouldn't be surprised if they move Hoffman.

It's not out of the realm of possibility that they trade Karlsson, but it's damn slim.

 

[TheNumber4]

We better be all in for Ekman Larsen. He's a true number 1 D with offensive skills. He's having a down year. He's got an expiring contract. It's the perfect storm scenario for getting a #1 D for a cheaper than usual price.

Let him flourish with McDavid and Draisaitl, let him lead our Defence, then promise to beat any contending free agent offer by 200k and we got ourselves the elusive number 1 D we've been looking for since Pronger.

 

[PaPaDee]

Karlsson is a great player, but he hasn't looked as dynamic since his last injury.

 

[PaPaDee]

We better be all in for Ekman Larsen. He's a true number 1 D with offensive skills. He's having a down year. He's got an expiring contract. It's the perfect storm scenario for getting a #1 D for a cheaper than usual price.

Let him flourish with McDavid and Draisaitl, let him lead our Defence, then promise to beat any contending free agent offer by 200k and we got ourselves the elusive number 1 D we've been looking for since Pronger.

I agree, he's the guy we should target. Having him paired with Larsson would be a great pairing (although that might get confusing for play-by-play calling).

The risk is that we're going to have to give-up some pretty good pieces to land him, and he's a pending UFA.

 

[PatrikOverAuston]

Tell us about all the money they saved retaining 25% of Phaneuf's contract and taking Gaborik at full price. They save a bit the last two years of Gaborik's deal as his salary drops a little, but it's nothing substantial.

They save $10M in real dollars IIRC

 

[guymez]

Karlsson is a great player, but he hasn't looked as dynamic since his last injury.

It's possible that injury may have affected his mobility permanently but its very common for players to take a long time (a year or more) to overcome a serious injury.
If Sekera recovers its possible he wont be right until well into next season.

I agree that it is a question mark for Karlsson and it should come up in any negotiations. OEL is a hell of a player as well.

I would be happy with either player if the outgoing value is fair and if the incoming player can be signed at fair market value. Both fill a need for this team...a need that should have been filled with a Hall trade.
Thats water under the bridge though. It is what it is.

 

[nexttothemoon]

If they cut bait on everyone having a down season this year, they'd only have McDavid, Nurse and Drai left.

...and Russell.

 

[MaxR11]

Looks like Bobby Nick and the gang have finally conceded that Larsson wasn’t the top pairing dman they’ve traded their best non-McDavid piece for.

im pretty sure they weren't thinking Larsson was going to be a sure fire top pairing D. there's no way you can get a sure fire top pairing D man for the player hall was in 2016.... or even now for that matter.

 

[MikeGrier99]

I wish we were more like the secretive, obsessive, borderline cheating New England patriots. This organisation lets the whole world know their plan. I'll never forget MacT's first GM press conference, where he stupidly told the whole world he was going to make a big bold move, thus ensuring every single other GM would make it as difficult as possible to hand it to him. Children playing monopoly show more tact than these idiots.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

I wish we were more like the secretive, obsessive, borderline cheating New England patriots. This organisation lets the whole world know their plan. I'll never forget MacT's first GM press conference, where he stupidly told the whole world he was going to make a big bold move, thus ensuring every single other GM would make it as difficult as possible to hand it to him. Children playing monopoly show more tact than these idiots.

In the Oilers defense, it's not a big secret they need an upgrade on the blueline. Problem is we can't draft one and we don't have the assets to trade for one.

 

[Faelko]

im pretty sure they weren't thinking Larsson was going to be a sure fire top pairing D. there's no way you can get a sure fire top pairing D man for the player hall was in 2016.... or even now for that matter.

You’re correct, they even said as much when they acquired him. I believe they referred to Larsson as a 2-3.

 

[Jet Walters]

They save $10M in real dollars IIRC

I don't think that's accurate. Phaneuf was owed 18.5M in real dollars the next 3 years and Ottawa is paying 25% of that which is about 4.6M and Gaborik makes almost 11M in real dollars over that period. So closer to 3 million saved over 3 years, plus a bit saved on replacing Nate Thompson with an ELC next year too.

 

[Little Fury]

I don't think that's accurate. Phaneuf was owed 18.5M in real dollars the next 3 years and Ottawa is paying 25% of that which is about 4.6M and Gaborik makes almost 11M in real dollars over that period. So closer to 3 million saved over 3 years, plus a bit saved on replacing Nate Thompson with an ELC next year too.

I think the total savings over three years are around $5.5M in real dollars.

 

[lakai17]

Whatever Nicholson says the Oil are a bottom 5 team in the standings today. If they keep running like that they may be adding a top defenceman in the draft. This draft is intriguing so I'm optimistic on that lately.

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

On a side note, those of you complaining about OEL's defensive issues. Guess what, our biggest problem isn't even that our defenseman can't play defense. It's that they can't do anything after stopping the opposing attack. We have the worst group of defensemen in the league in terms of generating offense and that affects everyone else. You get better at maintaining offense and you don't have to play as much defense. You get better puck movers and you don't have to spend as much time hemmed into the defensive zone. Having a bunch of Kris Russells gets you absolutely nowhere in the modern NHL where speed and skill are the most important assets and you need a full 5 man unit to maximize your players' potential. Heck we don't even need an OEL. Even a Mike Green would greatly improve our fortunes. That "defensive liability" who can contribute offensively and be the power play quarterback we've needed all season would be a great piece for this impotent sack of a team.

 

[t0nedeff]

Oilers should just accept the reality that by junking the previous rebuild they are in reality at the beginning of a new rebuild under McDavid.

And that this is probably going to take a few years with an emphasis on drafting better.

Throwing away 1st round picks is not the answer nor is hoping for miracle trades at this point.

Last year was a flash in the pan due to Talbot playing way over his head.

No, they aren't. Last year wasn't a flash in a pan. This year is clearly a result in the junk play of Talbot and the historically bad PK and moronic pp set up and strategy by the dimwits behind the bench. If they were even getting middle of the pack pking they are probably at the very least 2-3 points out of a wild car spot. If its too hard to find f***ing bottom 6ers who can pk for this team than they better just fold the entire organization.

 

[KeithIsActuallyBad]

No, they aren't. Last year wasn't a flash in a pan. This year is clearly a result in the junk play of Talbot and the historically bad PK and moronic pp set up and strategy by the dimwits behind the bench. If they were even getting middle of the pack pking they are probably at the very least 2-3 points out of a wild car spot. If its too hard to find ****ing bottom 6ers who can pk for this team than they better just fold the entire organization.

It's more than that. Most of the roster just forgot how to play defense. They clearly overachieved last year. McDavid and Talbot dragged a corpse of a team to the playoffs and nothing was done to help either of those players.

 

[Little Fury]

No, they aren't. Last year wasn't a flash in a pan.

It was, just the mirror image of this year.

This year is clearly a result in the junk play of Talbot and the historically bad PK and moronic pp set up and strategy by the dimwits behind the bench. If they were even getting middle of the pack pking they are probably at the very least 2-3 points out of a wild car spot. If its too hard to find ****ing bottom 6ers who can pk for this team than they better just fold the entire organization.

Be still my heart.

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

No, they aren't. Last year wasn't a flash in a pan. This year is clearly a result in the junk play of Talbot and the historically bad PK and moronic pp set up and strategy by the dimwits behind the bench. If they were even getting middle of the pack pking they are probably at the very least 2-3 points out of a wild car spot. If its too hard to find ****ing bottom 6ers who can pk for this team than they better just fold the entire organization.

We had solid bottom 6ers who could PK. They all got bought out/sent off via UFA. The main problem with our bottom 6 is that there's a bunch of "do nothing" types like Ryan Strome. Players like Letestu and Kassian are flawed players, but they have a role that they go out and fill on a nightly basis, maybe someone like Slepyshev or Caggiula can become that, but we're not in a position where we can afford to wait.

 

[Soundwave]

No, they aren't. Last year wasn't a flash in a pan. This year is clearly a result in the junk play of Talbot and the historically bad PK and moronic pp set up and strategy by the dimwits behind the bench. If they were even getting middle of the pack pking they are probably at the very least 2-3 points out of a wild car spot. If its too hard to find ****ing bottom 6ers who can pk for this team than they better just fold the entire organization.

If your best case scenario is that they'd maybe be in 9th place ... lol this team isn't ready. They are still rebuilding whether they want to admit it or not. By gutting the previous rebuild they are a team with no depth whatsoever and a crap pool of prospects to go with it.

This team is two good players and a bunch of mediocrity/average junk.

 

[Jet Walters]

What would Ottawa want for Pageau and Hoffman? Does Klefbom + Caggiula get it done? Maybe Strome instead of Caggs? Then RNH + for a top pair RHD. You've got to think if we included a top 10 pick with RNH we could possibly snag a defenseman in the McDonaugh to OEL range.

Hoffman McDavid Puljujarvi
Lucic Drai Yamamoto/UFA
Khaira Pageau Strome/Caggiula

OEL/McDonaugh Larsson
Nurse Russell/Sekera

That's doable IMO. Upgrade the D and top 6 wings while downgrading RNH to a RHC that makes 3C money.

 

[Soundwave]

What would Ottawa want for Pageau and Hoffman? Does Klefbom + Caggiula get it done? Maybe Strome instead of Caggs? Then RNH + for a top pair RHD. You've got to think if we included a top 10 pick with RNH we could possibly snag a defenseman in the McDonaugh to OEL range.

Hoffman McDavid Puljujarvi
Lucic Drai Yamamoto/UFA
Khaira Pageau Strome/Caggiula

OEL/McDonaugh Larsson
Nurse Russell/Sekera

That's doable IMO. Upgrade the D and top 6 wings while downgrading RNH to a RHC that makes 3C money.

Doubt RNH has that kind of value.

Hoffman is overrated too I'd pass on that.

 

[Trafalgar Sadge Law]

What would Ottawa want for Pageau and Hoffman? Does Klefbom + Caggiula get it done? Maybe Strome instead of Caggs? Then RNH + for a top pair RHD. You've got to think if we included a top 10 pick with RNH we could possibly snag a defenseman in the McDonaugh to OEL range.

Hoffman McDavid Puljujarvi
Lucic Drai Yamamoto/UFA
Khaira Pageau Strome/Caggiula

OEL/McDonaugh Larsson
Nurse Russell/Sekera

That's doable IMO. Upgrade the D and top 6 wings while downgrading RNH to a RHC that makes 3C money.

Considering how screwed up our cap situation is, trading a top 10 pick, a potential impact player on an ELC, should be the last thing we're doing. I wouldn't mind trying to go for a player like McDonagh/OEL, but if we don't have the assets to pry them away, we shouldn't bend over backwards to do so.

 

[Soundwave]

No to trading high picks. We are rebuilding no more stupidity with desperate trades.