Rumor: Rumours & Proposals | Chia Talk Ban | Oilers Sign KHL G Mikko Koskinen, What's Next?

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  1. McVirginOil

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    Looks like Bobby Nick and the gang have finally conceded that Larsson wasn’t the top pairing dman they’ve traded their best non-McDavid piece for.
     
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    Or they've figured out that the best teams have multiple excellent defencemen.
     
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    And how are they going to get a "top pairing" dman?

    Draft Dahlin?

    They sure aint going to trade for one. With what assets?
     
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    Not unless he adds a 1st. 5 more years boys.
     
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    They are going to package Klefbom for a true top pairing D.
     
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    Oh boy.
     
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    McCupofOil Still Evaluating

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    Probable top 5 pick, Klefbom, RNH, Puljujarvi, Yamamoto. The Oilers have a lot of assets to package together for one. If they want to strike gold with Karlsson, they have Draisaitl as a trading chip (don't know how I'd feel about that one as good as Karlsson is).
     
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    Melnyk being a cheap bugger is going to make a Karlsson trade difficult for the Sens, I think.
     
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    I'm already mentally preparing myself for some combination of RNH/Klefbom/Puljujarvi/Yamamoto/2018 1st/2019 1st for McDonagh, OEL, or God forbid, Faulk. Guys that I'm not fully convinced are that good to start with.
     
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    Would anyone trade Lucic and Sekera(11.5m cap hit) for Shea Weber and Alex Galchenyuk(12.75 cap hit). Montreal does this because they get a top four d and top 6 forward they coveted while saving cap and on shorter contracts then Weber.

    Edmonton does it because Weber should still have a couple years as a top defenceman and if he retires early Nashville gets hit with the cap penalty and Galchenyuk may be able to rebound.

    My value could be way off.
     
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    OEL and McDonagh are #1 Dmen, how are they not that good? Even if you feel they are overrated, either would be a massive addition for the Oilers. I wouldn't hesitate to give a combination of the assets you listed above for either, of course with the knowledge pre-trade that they are interested in re-signing here. On the other hand, I'm with you on Faulk. Not sure if I'd even part with RNH straight up for him, always felt that he was vastly overrated.
     
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    Exactly. Tampa Bay trying to acquire McDonaugh doesn't mean they think Hedman and Stralman suck.
     
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    GreatKeith You can win trades?

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    Well, one would be a good start.
     
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    Montreal would never do that deal. Weber is still a good defenceman and Galchenyuk is going to be their prized trading chip.
     
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    Mr Positive Cap Crunch Incoming

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    imo OEL would be worth it, especially if he came with an extension (which I believe isn't allowed until this July)
     
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    PatrikOverAuston Laine > Matthews

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    I wonder if Melnyk would go for something like this:

    Klefbom ($3.5M real money this year, $4M next, less than $5M for the majority of his contract)
    Russell (Declining salary every year of the deal, reaching $2.5M in Year 4)
    Puljujarvi (Cheap young winger to replace Mark Stone)
    EDM 1st 2018 (Two shots at Dahlin + a cheap ELC player)

    Ottawa ends up with a D core built around Klefa, Ceci, Chabot and either Dahlin or one of Boqvist/Bouchard/Dobson (with Russell filling in for the time being).

    In terms of cap, we actually save it this and next year before having to ink Karlsson to a $1M+ contract. However, if he's willing to split the difference between Drai and McD- "settling" for $10.5M- I think we could make it work:

    Maroon ($3.25M)-McDavid-Draisaitl
    Lucic-RNH-Yamamoto
    Caggiula ($1.25M)-Strome ($2.75M)-Slepyshev ($1M)
    UFA ($900K)-Khaira-Kassian
    UFA ($800K) Malone

    Sekera-Karlsson
    Nurse ($4.5M)-Larsson
    Davidson ($1.25M)-Benning ($1.25M)
    Gryba

    Talbot
    Montoya

    $2.2M cap space

    Basically, they have to hope the cap goes up by at least $2M next summer in order to squeeze in EK's extension. Even then, it would be as tight as tight could be.
     
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    OEL is a defensive nightmare.

    Good, not elite, offensive ability but trash tier defending. He's no #1 d-man. Faulk has been overrated in his career true. But OEL might be the most overrated player in the league over the last 1/2 decade.
     
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    Nudge and a draft or prospect for oel if oel signs extension
    Strome and a draft pick for Gallagher
     
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    Just the opposite. He has been exceptional on a brutal team. The most underrated dman by far. Years of suck get to you

    Same as Smith, much posts about him being garbage. Not so, the guy is Cgy's rock, and their so called D has not supported him much. And's it fitting his detractors are wrong.

    Arz without OEL would have been unthinkable as far as how bad they are. Guy is a stud. This year, no blames. he's earned the right to not give a f
     
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    McDonagh doesn't have much of a contract left and IMO Nurse has been on his level this year.

    I honestly find OEL hard to pin down. I equate him to an older and more physical Ristolainen and he is average at best defensively.

    Yes he puts up good offensive numbers but pretty much all he's ever done his whole career is get his teeth kicked in over and over and over again on miserable Coyotes squads.

    I'm wondering if OEL has this amazing reputation simply because has Jeff Petry syndrome - just looks amazing because the rest of Arizona's defencemen are horrific.
     
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    This. But far better than Risto overall. If he was on a good team, easily considered top 8 in the NHL imo. Arz has robbed him huge. Karlsson is a truly a specimen to have elevated his game that much over his team when you think about it. I put him in "generational" status
     
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    Arizona with OEL is already unthinkably bad. He's an embarrassment in his own end. Has been for years.

    Glorified Kevin Shattenkirk.
     
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    "OEL is nearly twice as good in his own end as Burns, while similarly productive in goals, although Burns has far more offensive upside"

    " There’s hardly any gap between the two on shot impact or primary points (the bar graphs underneath), which means that while OEL may not take as many shots or score as many goals, he provides the key pass on almost as many and stops even more than the consensus best defenseman in the NHL. He’s comparably good in goal scoring while being half as good again on defense as Karlsson is over the past two years."
     
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    McDonagh is having a bit of a down year but so is that entire team. His track record dictates that he's an all situation 2 way #1 Dman, a slightly less version of Pietrangelo.

    I think OEL is a victim of being a horrendous team. He has had a rough couple of years but prior to that, I always came away supremely impressed with his ability to control the pace of the game. The elite offensive Dmen all have defensive warts, this isn't exclusive to OEL. Pair him with a steady influence in Larsson, who did wonders for Klef last season, and watch him flourish

    At this point, it's nitpicking. Either of these guys would be a big upgrade for the Oilers and completely change the complexion of their defense. I don't think OEL is realistic because it's within division but I see no reason why the Oilers can't make a pitch for McDonagh. The contract situation is a risk but there's a reason why these guys are available, they wouldn't be available if they were locked up long term. Is it worth the risk? I don't know, but the Oilers need to upgrade the D somehow, don't see many other options out there outside of drafting one and waiting 3-4 years.
     
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    Klefbom plus RNH for OEL is closer to happening than most realize. I take it that hypothetical wouldn’t interest you.
     
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