joestevens29
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Because they challenged him and he did well every time. Forced himself on the team
Proposal: Rumours and Proposals Thread: Brouwer Bought Out
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joestevens29
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Elite offensively at what level? If he is elite offensively right now at the NHL level he would've went in the top 5
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ThreeOfAPerfectPair
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Chia has to make a move for a veteran d-man right? Having one of Bear/Benning/Bouchard in the top 4 is irresponsible and a bottom pairing composed of Gravel, Benning, Bouchard/Bear could prove disastrous. I think our 1st is as good as gone.
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If our 1st is moving it had better be for a damn solid defenseman that buys Bouchard 5 years or more to develop properly into a top 4 NHL defenseman.
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Over the last 3 years Faulk has 43 5 vs 5 points. Larsson has 41. Larsson is light years better defensively. No coach in the NHL picks Faulk over Larsson 5 vs 5.
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People still don't fully get that hockey is a 2-way game.
Boxcars still rule most minds and it's hard to look past that for most.
I've looked at the stats and worked out the numbers on Faulk and he's a slight negative to his team over the past 7 seasons. That's considering all factors... ES, PP and PK time. He gets an ozone push at ES and his QoC is middle of the pack as well so even taking context into account... simply by having Faulk on the team... he's made his team worse over the past 7 seasons.
That's not even a knock on Faulk really... just the facts. It's a zero sum game and you have players that A) make your team better, B) some that tread water (net effect of 0) and C) some that make it worse. That's why some teams get more points each season than others... because they have more players playing from groups A and B getting more ice time than the C players.
Faulk could improve in the seasons to come and become a B player (net zero effect)... or improve a lot and become an overall net positive to hs team... but at the price to obtain him I don't feel it would be worth it. Others do obviously and that's what NHL managers have to take into account as well obviously.
Boxcars still rule most minds and it's hard to look past that for most.
I've looked at the stats and worked out the numbers on Faulk and he's a slight negative to his team over the past 7 seasons. That's considering all factors... ES, PP and PK time. He gets an ozone push at ES and his QoC is middle of the pack as well so even taking context into account... simply by having Faulk on the team... he's made his team worse over the past 7 seasons.
That's not even a knock on Faulk really... just the facts. It's a zero sum game and you have players that A) make your team better, B) some that tread water (net effect of 0) and C) some that make it worse. That's why some teams get more points each season than others... because they have more players playing from groups A and B getting more ice time than the C players.
Faulk could improve in the seasons to come and become a B player (net zero effect)... or improve a lot and become an overall net positive to hs team... but at the price to obtain him I don't feel it would be worth it. Others do obviously and that's what NHL managers have to take into account as well obviously.
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Wonder if we can snag someone like Gunnarson from the blues for picks. 1 year deal left, clears up some cap space for them and wouldn’t be the worst option out there IMO.
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I will be shocked if Chia brings anything on the back end more then a PTO
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I'm not sure he really can.
It's the same kind of handcuffs as last year. If you bring in a pricey top4 guy, you're going to end up with around $12M spent on the #5, 6 and 7 defensemen as well as likely being over the cap when Sekera comes back.
So that means you need to bring in a cheap top4 D which likely means a young guy you would have to pay out the nose for.
Seriously we are totally f***ed. No one is even available out there. It seems like another year of sucking, underperforming with a top pick to look forward to 
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Seriously we are totally ****ed. No one is even available out there. It seems like another year of sucking, underperforming with a top pick to look forward to
I think it's a little early for that.
If you look at last season, the play of the #4/5/6D is probably pretty far down the list for why the season was sewered. If they improve in the main areas, I don't think it will be a big deal.
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Risto would be a really nice add, Im a big Risto fan. But idk why they would move him for anything less than Klef or Larss.
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Its embarrassing McDavid in his prime years has no defenseman to work with and our biggest trading chips gone for pennies on a dollar and this guy still has a job. Only trolls speak on behalf of Chiarelli.
and were sitting here talking about Brandon f** Davidson as a replacement for our number 3 defenseman....
and were sitting here talking about Brandon f** Davidson as a replacement for our number 3 defenseman....
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Its embarrassing McDavid in his prime years has no defenseman to work with and our biggest trading chips gone for pennies on a dollar and this guy still has a job. Only trolls speak on behalf of Chiarelli.
and were sitting here talking about Brandon f** Davidson as a replacement for our number 3 defenseman....
I know this is crazy for people to understand because of how good McDavid is but he isn't in his prime years yet. I do agree with the state of our defense and it needs to be addressed but we do have time before McDavid hits his prime years.
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save your crying for the "Fire Chia" threadIts embarrassing McDavid in his prime years has no defenseman to work with and our biggest trading chips gone for pennies on a dollar and this guy still has a job. Only trolls speak on behalf of Chiarelli.
and were sitting here talking about Brandon f** Davidson as a replacement for our number 3 defenseman....
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My thoughts exactly.
Could be a positive...could be a negative.
Lets see how it plays out.
I love all the hand waving. Losing Maroon, Sekera, Eberle, Letestu ... all no big deals.
Maybe one of them, sure, but when you lose like 4 decent to good contributors from that 16-17 team ... don't freaking tell me "they're basically the same team". They're not.
The roster as is is considerably worse than the one in 16-17, hopefully McDavid has another gear.
Maybe one of them, sure, but when you lose like 4 decent to good contributors from that 16-17 team ... don't freaking tell me "they're basically the same team". They're not.
The roster as is is considerably worse than the one in 16-17, hopefully McDavid has another gear.
I'm sure no one wanted Sekera to get injured but it is what it is. I'm sure if we can get a top 4 dman to replace an injured Sekera it could work out in our favor.
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The only way this roster is close to 16-17 is if Ky and Jp come in and score 50 goals combined. Even then we still need Lucic to score another 10 goals from last year's totals. We also need somebody on the defense to take a step forward with no one taking steps back. And Talbot needs to find a way to win a bunch more games on his own.
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