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ujju2

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The only teams I could see being interested in a retained Lucic would be a Metro Division team to have someone to go against Wilson in the playoffs.

Yeah a Metro team might want to counter that Wilson-Ovi factor. I know I would if I was in the Metro. Actually, any eastern team in general. I might just be a biased Caps fan, but if I was a GM of a team in the East, I'm looking long at hard at what happened to Tampa Bay in the ECF last year and trying to toughen up my team.
 
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My realistic Off season game plan

-Lucic traded for Eriksson
-Sign Donskoi 4x4
(Lets face it none of the big ticket free agent is comming here unless for a monster overpayment)
-Trade Benning for whatever
-Trade Rieder for whatever
-Gagner and Manning to the AHL
-Acquire Connor Brown for a 3rd rounder
-Trade Pulju for Jost
-Resign Chiasson for 1 year

Draisailt-McDavid-Brown
Khaira-RNH-Donskoi
Eriksson-Jost/Marody-Chiasson
Benson-Brodz/Cave-Kassian

Klefbom-Larsson
Nurse-Russel
Sekera-Bouchard
 

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My realistic Off season game plan

-Lucic traded for Eriksson
-Sign Donskoi 4x4
(Lets face it none of the big ticket free agent is comming here unless for a monster overpayment)
-Trade Benning for whatever
-Trade Rieder for whatever
-Gagner and Manning to the AHL
-Acquire Connor Brown for a 3rd rounder
-Trade Pulju for Jost
-Resign Chiasson for 1 year

Draisailt-McDavid-Brown
Khaira-RNH-Donskoi
Eriksson-Jost/Marody-Chiasson
Benson-Brodz/Cave-Kassian

Klefbom-Larsson
Nurse-Russel
Sekera-Bouchard
That isn't too far from what I was thinking up, hard to make what looks like a winning roster out of what we have now and staying realistic, IMO we likely need 2 off-seasons to fix Chia's damage enough to be a playoff team again so I'm not doing any buy-outs at all, just stomach the bad contracts we have.

My signings:
  • Juhjar Khaira- 2 years at $900K
  • Kevin Gravel- 1 year at $725K
  • Joonas Donskoi- 4 years at $4.25M (If SJ is serious about re-signing Pavelski & Karlsson likely not realistic he stays there)
  • Keith Kinkaid - 1 year at $1M (based on his numbers seems like a cheap option that could bounce back /w goalies though you never know, also has some experience of running with the starting role if Koski stumbles, hoping between him, Stolarz, and Starrett we have one decent back-up)
  • Mikhail Grigorenko- 1 year at $2.75M (Wants another kick at the NHL and his preference is apparently a Canadian team, seems like a decent fit and adds some more skill to the line-up)
*Pulju is qualified only told to go find employment in Europe for 2 years and we'll take a 2nd big run at an NHL career after that.*
**Rieder isn't qualified he gets to be a unrestricted free agent again**

Trades:

To PHI: Darnell Nurse
To EDM: Shayne Gostisbehere


Reasoning- Philly wants to get tougher (more broad street bully like) and Ghost has had a poor season relative to expectations with Nurse surging in offense and actually having more points than him this season, though if you look at Ghost's career points per game numbers it's almost exactly twice that of Nurse, I'd be fine betting he's the better offensive player in the long run and while Nurse has a reputation of being the better defensive player, I'm not sure I buy it, he's just bigger and more physical and tends to only look good playing man-man defense and then is completely lost when playing zone defense. I consider Nurse a must trade, he's at peak value and should be cashed in and the warts he exudes don't look like quick fixes to me.

To NYR: 3rd rd pick + Brandon Manning
To EDM: Vladislav Namestnikov


Reasoning- I've got a bit of a soft spot for Namestnikov reminds me a bit of a poor man's RNH, he got a big pay-day that he isn't worth so his value is quite low, plus he isn't really producing, though his defensive game is better than many give him credit for and has a pretty decent wrist shot. Namestnikov has shown the ability to get carried by superior talents in the past, if he can light things up with Stamkos and Kucherov, I'm hoping he can do the same with McDavid and Drai. For NYR I think they just want to be rid of him, they are rebuilding so they likely want the pick and since they aren't contending can likely take some deadweight like Manning back.

Other trades- Zach Kassian and Matt Benning for mid to low picks (just offloading cap), two guys acquired with very low picks or future considerations (Brendan Gaunce & Dimitrij Jaskin- both passed through waivers this year so I'd assume they'd be dirt cheap to acquire)

Roster:

Namestnikov- McDavid- Drai
Khaira- RNH- Donskoi
Lucic- Grigorenko- Gagner
Gaunce - Brodziak - Jaskin
ex: Cave/ P. Russell /Rattie


Klefbom - Larsson
Gostisbehere - Russell
Sekera - Bouchard

ex: Gravel

Koskinen
Kinkaid


Roster wise I'd expect Marody and Yamamoto to fight for Gagner's spot, the third line is a soft minutes line. Gaunce hasn't been good enough to stick in the NHL, but he has a specific skill set of being a very good defensive player and that's a tool I'd like to give to our coaching staff, even if he is offensively limited (our PK is so bad I'd take a PK specialist who does nothing else well like what Lennart Petrell used to be), though it does look like he might of taken a step forward with his offensive game this year in the AHL, I like Jaskin cause he always tends to have good possession numbers despite the offense not being great, likely not a 4th line to write home about, but it provides some utility. I expect more offense out of our top 3 lines and our d-core than what we got this year, obviously the roster isn't without question marks, but we're going to have to take some gambles just for a chance at being semi-decent. Sekera can play either side on D, so I'm willing to gamble that one of Jones, Bear, or Bouchard is ready for full-time duty and if one stumbles the fact we got 3 who are kind of right on the line to being NHL ready I'm betting on one stepping up (plus Gravel as insurance), this team badly needs better puck moving so I'm also willing to live through some youthful mistakes.

Cap-wise that roster is super tight against it, assuming an $83M cap, that 22 man roster is at roughly $82.85M, runs the possibly of cap-overage the following season if Bouchard or Yamo hit some bonuses, but I'm fine with that, Gagner and Namestnikov come off the books when the cap overage would hit us and I'd be looking to unload Lucic (with compensation) to Seattle in the expansion draft.
 
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Joey Moss

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Grigorenko would be interesting.. He seemed to have really found his game in the KHL this season. I'm sure lots of teams will be looking at him at the World Championships.
 

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My best case (but still slightly realistic) scenario:

1. We get Kakko.
2. Trade Puljujarvi for Artturi Lehkonen
3. Sign Marcus Johansson for 3 million x 2 years.
4. Sekera bounces back

Benson - McDavid - Draisaitl
Lehkonen - Nuge - Kakko
Gagner - Johannson - Chiasson
Lucic - Khaira - Kassian
Rattie


Klefbom - Larsson
Nurse - Sekera
Russell - Bouchard
Gravel - Manning

Koskinen
Stolarz


I would expect Marody/Yammy to challenge Gagner for the 3rd line winger spot. We have about 2 million in cap space.
 

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My best case (but still slightly realistic) scenario:

1. We get Kakko.
2. Trade Puljujarvi for Artturi Lehkonen
3. Sign Marcus Johansson for 3 million x 2 years.
4. Sekera bounces back

Benson - McDavid - Draisaitl
Lehkonen - Nuge - Kakko
Gagner - Johannson - Chiasson
Lucic - Khaira - Kassian
Rattie


Klefbom - Larsson
Nurse - Sekera
Russell - Bouchard
Gravel - Manning

Koskinen
Stolarz


I would expect Marody/Yammy to challenge Gagner for the 3rd line winger spot. We have about 2 million in cap space.

Benson on the top line?

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Benson on the top line?

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I think Benson matches very well with those two. There is no sense in spending what little money you have to augment the top line. They just need a guy who is smart enough to take advantage of the opportunity. Benson most definitely is. He's more of a play maker but its not like McDavid and Draisaitl are not capable of scoring themselves.
 

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I think Benson matches very well with those two. There is no sense in spending what little money you have to augment the top line. They just need a guy who is smart enough to take advantage of the opportunity. Benson most definitely is. He's more of a play maker but its not like McDavid and Draisaitl are not capable of scoring themselves.

I don't mind Benson with those guys long-term, but whose to say that he's even close to NHL ready as soon as next season? I think it's way too early to pencil him in on the top line for next year...
 
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I don't mind Benson with those guys long-term, but whose to say that he's even close to NHL ready as soon as next season? I think it's way too early to pencil him in on the top line for next year...
It could be too early. But this is a very high end player who had his game slowed by injury. Had he been healthy he is likely a mid 1st or better and for such a player making the NHL at 21 is not unreasonable. He's pretty much playing at the level of a top end AHL'er right now so its not like he is jumping straight from junior into the bigs. A deep playoff run would be great.

Bottom line is that the Oilers will need a couple of cheap contracts next year to have space for any significant addition. That spot is actually a pretty good one to save some money. Maybe its not Benson but it should be someone cheap.
 
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Larson and Klefbom is not the pairing to take us anywhere.

We need to upgrade Klefbom with a Right Handed D to play with Nurse, knock Larsson into a top 4 role.
 

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HYPOTHETICAL SCENARIO:

I was talking to a buddy about this situation and I want to see what everyone else's thoughts are.
Say Edmonton wins the lottery and Vancouver comes calling. They are hosting the draft this year AND they want to reunite the Hughes brothers. They want to make a big splash for their fans, what would it take from you guys to deal them 1st overall.

Peterson straight up?
Boeser +there 1st?
Horvat+virtanen+1st?

curious what everyone's thoughts and ideas are
 

Fourier

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HYPOTHETICAL SCENARIO:

I was talking to a buddy about this situation and I want to see what everyone else's thoughts are.
Say Edmonton wins the lottery and Vancouver comes calling. They are hosting the draft this year AND they want to reunite the Hughes brothers. They want to make a big splash for their fans, what would it take from you guys to deal them 1st overall.

Peterson straight up?
Boeser +there 1st?
Horvat+virtanen+1st?

curious what everyone's thoughts and ideas are
I would do either of the last two deals. The first is never going to be on the table. That said I doubt Hughes gets that sort of return.
 

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The one thing I'll throw out to McLellan is that he did good work with JP. He motivated him. Right out of the gate Hitchcock immediately stated that Puljujarvi was a problem. Night and day in terms of handling this player.

McLellan handled Pulj just as poorly as Hitch did
 

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What would it take to acquire Pesce? I’d throw JP, 2019 2nd + Bear to make that happen. He’s a young D on a great contract and could possibly bump Larsson down.

Opens up trading Russell for a middle 6 forward to replace JP. Balances out our D-core pretty nicely.
 

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My realistic Off season game plan

-Lucic traded for Eriksson
-Sign Donskoi 4x4
(Lets face it none of the big ticket free agent is comming here unless for a monster overpayment)
-Trade Benning for whatever
-Trade Rieder for whatever
-Gagner and Manning to the AHL
-Acquire Connor Brown for a 3rd rounder
-Trade Pulju for Jost
-Resign Chiasson for 1 year

Draisailt-McDavid-Brown
Khaira-RNH-Donskoi
Eriksson-Jost/Marody-Chiasson
Benson-Brodz/Cave-Kassian

Klefbom-Larsson
Nurse-Russel
Sekera-Bouchard

$4Mx4 seems like an overpayment for Donskoi. He’s a winger with a career high of 36 points. He doesn’t play PK and plays very limited PP. Considering our already bad cap situation I would be very hesitant to commit to that contract. We need to be very careful with our UFA signings over the next year or two.
 

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What would it take to acquire Pesce? I’d throw JP, 2019 2nd + Bear to make that happen. He’s a young D on a great contract and could possibly bump Larsson down.

Opens up trading Russell for a middle 6 forward to replace JP. Balances out our D-core pretty nicely.
Thats not even close tbh.

They need a young scoring forward around the same age as Pesce.
 

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HYPOTHETICAL SCENARIO:

I was talking to a buddy about this situation and I want to see what everyone else's thoughts are.
Say Edmonton wins the lottery and Vancouver comes calling. They are hosting the draft this year AND they want to reunite the Hughes brothers. They want to make a big splash for their fans, what would it take from you guys to deal them 1st overall.

Peterson straight up?
Boeser +there 1st?
Horvat+virtanen+1st?

curious what everyone's thoughts and ideas are

Don't think u will get Peterson but I would do the other trades mentioned. Especially Horvat. The Canucks are rebuilding quite nicely
 

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HYPOTHETICAL SCENARIO:

I was talking to a buddy about this situation and I want to see what everyone else's thoughts are.
Say Edmonton wins the lottery and Vancouver comes calling. They are hosting the draft this year AND they want to reunite the Hughes brothers. They want to make a big splash for their fans, what would it take from you guys to deal them 1st overall.

Peterson straight up?
Boeser +there 1st?
Horvat+virtanen+1st?

curious what everyone's thoughts and ideas are

ZERO chance Petterson, Boeser or Horvat gets traded from Vancouver. They are their core players and their equivalent to McDavid, Draisatl and RNH. No chance in hell they trade one of them for a 3 minute splash at the draft table in front of thier home crowd, who are all limited to sitting in the upper deck anyway.
 
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HYPOTHETICAL SCENARIO:

I was talking to a buddy about this situation and I want to see what everyone else's thoughts are.
Say Edmonton wins the lottery and Vancouver comes calling. They are hosting the draft this year AND they want to reunite the Hughes brothers. They want to make a big splash for their fans, what would it take from you guys to deal them 1st overall.

Peterson straight up?
Boeser +there 1st?
Horvat+virtanen+1st?

curious what everyone's thoughts and ideas are
If they have the #1 overall and decide to move it for immediate help, I hope they attach a bad contract with it. Clear out some cap room to actually sign something this summer.

So 2019 #1 overall + bad contract for ...
 

bobbythebrain

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Hitch's ego was running rampant early on and he likely saw a kid that had some strong games on the farm, had size, was drafted high and was part of the solution. Chia didn't say that it'd take 2 weeks or whatever Hitch said to turn things around.

How can you possibly still think Hitch was behind the call up? Hitch gave JP 19 more games in the top 6 than he deserved, and now that Chia is gone, he rides the 4th and is going back to Bako. Not to mention the BS his agent spouted off about him not learning more in Bako. That didn't manifest with a head coach
 
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