Rumor: Rumors & Proposals Thread | All Star Break Edition

[McDrai]

If you go off these stats it would show that Ekholm is the worst dman on the Oilers and the one making everyone worse which is just simply not true. This is why you can't A) use individual game results and B) need to use context. Defenseman A can put up 40% Corsi against RNH-McDavid-Hyman while Defenseman B can put up 60% Corsi against Janmark-Ryan-Brown, and I think it's pretty obvious that Defenseman A had the better night. Hilarious that you use Kulak-Bouchard as an example b/c the largest reason for Bouchard's struggles last season were due to having to play with Kulak in a 2nd pairing role against opposing middle 6 forwads, and Bouchard immediately did better after playing with Broberg and Ekholm respectively. Brett Kulak's status as a sheltered veteran makes him a problem in deployment and makes it more difficult for the coach and his teammates. Much like how Tyson Barrie was making all 5 defenseman on the team worse last season just by being on the roster, despite his individual on ice metrics being actually pretty good (Kulak doesn't need to be sheltered quite as much as Barrie, but similar concept). Now Barrie is Nashville's problem and making it a living nightmare for Josi/McDonagh and co. His 3 million salary is better used elsewhere.

Look at Kulak’s body of work this season and you will see how solid he is on the back end. The Kulak/Desharnais pairing has been excellent all season in terms of shot suppression and giving up high danger chances. You would be an absolute fool to break that up. I’m not saying Kulak should get a top 4 spot on this team. All I’m saying is that he shouldn’t be foolishly traded away to make room for a marginal upgrade. Ceci can be moved instead as we shouldn’t be touching the Ekholm/Bouchard and Kulak/Desharnais pairings.

 

[foshizzle]

LOL it does seem like such a waste. They gotta fly out there, spend a day and a night, find transport to the stadium, spend about 4 hours there, then fly back home.

Meanwhile, you can watch the player after the game is over and scout him in 20 minutes tops by skipping all other plays, commercials, and intermissions. You could probably scout like 30 games worth of a player's games in the time it would take to make one physical trip to go and scout him.

Because teams love the old school ways. You can watch the player on TV, have the analytics of the player to confirm what your eyes saw- all from a laptop

 

[5 Mins 4 Ftg]

Because teams love the old school ways. You can watch the player on TV, have the analytics of the player to confirm what your eyes saw- all from a laptop

You can’t see complete systems play away from the camera, how the players are executing within the system as they are off camera too much, if flaws seem teachable or ingrained, managing gaps, foot speed in relation to dead stops and angles of attack. I could go on forever but TV combined with spreadsheets are not a replacement for live viewing. They are supplementary.

 

[Sheikyerbouti]

100%

The scouts are also recording game stats which are non proprietary and not tracked. They also see qualitative stuff, like frustration on the bench. The list is long. Most video just follows the puck

Scouting should always be a combination. The sabres have been doing a lot of video scouting, to save money, and how well is that working for them? lol

Back in the day the Oilers scouting was the opposite, saw a player good ten times live and became biased, when we would have been better using more robust public sourced scouting imo

Good teams use all streams of scouting effectively and value it all to form a robust dataset

 

[McDoused]

Friedman saying that the flames and devils talked about market romance but now unlikely.

Friedman also saying Guenztel, Tanev, Hanifin and Henrique are delaying the market.

Edmonton has eyes on Guenztel per Friedman.

Buffalo wants to make their team better now... weird.

 

[Sheikyerbouti]

Re" Vinny D

Bumping him into the top 4 during a contract year is banana's to me. If it works out we have shot ourselves in the foot. We are giving his agents a lot of leverage for minimal returns

I really hope this was an experiment to see what a future trade might look like and it's very shorterm

 

[Skolman]

 

[Bring Back Bucky]

Because teams love the old school ways. You can watch the player on TV, have the analytics of the player to confirm what your eyes saw- all from a laptop

These computers are just a fad.

 

[brentashton]

At this time of year there are literally 12 teams at every game watching things.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Re" Vinny D

Bumping him into the top 4 during a contract year is banana's to me. If it works out we have shot ourselves in the foot. We are giving his agents a lot of leverage for minimal returns

I really hope this was an experiment to see what a future trade might look like and it's very shorterm

I didn't even realize that he's an UFA at season's end.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Holloway could probably be used to get us a legit top 6 guy. I just don’t ever see Holloway having the offense for it.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

Holloway could probably be used to get us a legit top 6 guy. I just don’t ever see Holloway having the offense for it.

I would not trade him. He's had a lot of lost development due to injuries. He has everything that you need in a player to succeed at the NHL level. Unless we're adding an impact player with term, he's off the table.

 

[CycloneSweep]

I would not trade him. He's had a lot of lost development due to injuries. He has everything that you need in a player to succeed at the NHL level. Unless we're adding an impact player with term, he's off the table.

You don’t just get that development back though. Guys almost never do. He doesn’t have the hands or scoring ability to be a legit good player in this league. He could bounce around as a 3rd liner but he is getting passed by tons of guys drafted after him, his value is only getting lower.

And yeah I think you could convince a team to take him for a legit top 6 guys with term or in part for a defender. I just don’t see him as an impact player.

 

[Bryanbryoil]

You don’t just get that development back though. Guys almost never do. He doesn’t have the hands or scoring ability to be a legit good player in this league. He could bounce around as a 3rd liner but he is getting passed by tons of guys drafted after him, his value is only getting lower.

And yeah I think you could convince a team to take him for a legit top 6 guys with term or in part for a defender. I just don’t see him as an impact player.

He has the hands, just needs more experience and opportunity.

 

[CycloneSweep]

He has the hands, just needs more experience and opportunity.

He has worse hands than Foegele.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

You don’t just get that development back though. Guys almost never do. He doesn’t have the hands or scoring ability to be a legit good player in this league. He could bounce around as a 3rd liner but he is getting passed by tons of guys drafted after him, his value is only getting lower.

And yeah I think you could convince a team to take him for a legit top 6 guys with term or in part for a defender. I just don’t see him as an impact player.

Holloway? I agree, I think he more likely to be a middle to bottom-6 player, but he might be very good one in the league. But I also agree, I don't view him as untouchable.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Holloway? I agree, I think he more likely to be a middle to bottom-6 player, but he might be very good one in the league. But I also agree, I don't view him as untouchable.

I don’t see him anymore than a 25-30 point player. Which would be 2-3 times his current pace.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

I don’t see him anymore than a 25-30 point player. Which would be 2-3 times his current pace.

Totally fair, I wonder if the team sees something I don't, plus it can take guys to figure the league out.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Totally fair, I wonder if the team sees something I don't, plus it can take guys to figure the league out.

It can. But I think he will be more valuable in what he can bring back.

 

[Jimmi McJenkins]

It can. But I think he will be more valuable in what he can bring back.

This I agree with, I think he could be the piece that returns konecny at a good rate

 

[Heavy Dee]

Louie thinks it's a matter of time before Brown scores. Does he actually watch him????

 

[Heavy Dee]

Holloway could probably be used to get us a legit top 6 guy. I just don’t ever see Holloway having the offense for it.

Foegele is killing the line

Hyman just doesnt see the ice.

 

[CycloneSweep]

Foegele is killing the line

Hyman just doesnt see the ice.

Foegele is twice the player Holloway is.

 

[Heavy Dee]

Foegele is twice the player Holloway is.

He is only paid twice as much.

 

[CycloneSweep]

He is only paid twice as much.

Okay? Either way Foegele is a much better player.