Roster speculation XVIII - We're getting closer to things happening!

[Beerz]

So, oh grand talent evaluator, what does he do well enough to offset this?

Pretty much all you've done in this thread is outright dismiss people's eyes and mock stats. And sure, every player makes mistakes, but Bogosians are consistently more frequent and/or costly than his peers.

I haven't dismissed people's eyes. I said I disagreed with his overall assessment while admitting he has had those issues he discussed.
Keep up.

 

[Samsonite23]

and would u prefer Myers over Bogosian?

we aren't ready for a deep run in the playoffs, if u can trade Bogosian for an upgrade, great.

Yes.

 

[Beerz]

No I would prefer Bogo over Myers.

 

[EichHart]

No I would prefer Bogo over Myers.

I second this.

 

[TehDoak]

The only scenario where Bogo gets moved is one where we bring in another RHD. However, I just don't see that happening. Next year we can revisit it with the expansion draft.

I'd like to circle back around to the LHD discussion. The D issue is still very much one for the Ducks. Consider their expansion dilemma.

Protect 3D (NMC's forced)

Bieksa, Vantanen, Lindholm

Protect 8 Total:

Getzaf Perry Kesler (all NMC) One of Rackell/Silfverberg
Bieksa, Vantanen, Lindolm, Fowler

Either option also leaves Despres open for taking as well.

The likely scenario is that

A) They move Despres now for value, move Fowler next year before the expansion draft
B) Move Fowler now and re-evaluate with Despres's value after a healthy season
C) Somehow get rid of Bieksa before the expansion draft (Will the buyout window come before the expansion draft happens?)

Either way, they are going to thin the herd with the blueline. The question is who they move.

 

[Captain Holt]

I'm not a big proposal guy but I woke up this morning with this in my head... you'll probably tell me to go back to bed.

8th + Bogo + something smaller ( a third maybe?) -> EDM for 4

4 + Girg + 38 -> ANA for Lindholm. (not enough? too much?) But ANA is cap strapped, and they can keep Vatanen, Fowler and Despres. They may be forced to keep Bieksa. They all say they need an LW. Matt Tkachuk is there at 4.

Buffalo gives up 8, 38, Bogo and Girg for their #1 defenseman and Risto's countryman and they run the show for the next 10 years. They also pick up Bogo's $5/mil a year to give to someone else. Worth it to me.

(edit: I don't trust Bogo to stay healthy. Girgensons gets lost in the shuffle)

 

[Sabre Dance]

No I would prefer Bogo over Myers.

All that needs to be said.

 

[stokes84]

Pipe dream roster time:

Kane-Stamkos-Eberle
Ennis-Eichel-Reinhart
Foligno-ROR-Gionta
Deslauriers-Larsson-Bailey/Fasching

Yandle-Risto
McCabe-Pysyk
Gorges-Franson

Bogo + Girgensons + 8 OA for Eberle + 4 OA

Sign Stamkos and Yandle.

Profit.

 

[CrazyPsycho]

I'd rather have Bogo just for the off chance that he decides to go on a psychotic rampage again, he must be real good in the room as well.. Myers is just a softy no matter how hard he tried to be tough

 

[Samsonite23]

I'd rather have Bogo just for the off chance that he decides to go on a psychotic rampage again, he must be real good in the room as well.. Myers is just a softy no matter how hard he tried to be tough

That is a good point. Psycho Bogo is my favorite Bogo.

 

[Sabre Dance]

Pipe dream roster time:

Kane-Stamkos-Eberle
Ennis-Eichel-Reinhart
Foligno-ROR-Gionta
Deslauriers-Larsson-Bailey/Fasching

Yandle-Risto
McCabe-Pysyk
Gorges-Franson

Bogo + Girgensons + 8 OA for Eberle + 4 OA

Sign Stamkos and Yandle.

Profit.

My pipe dream has a better top 4.

 

[Sabre Dance]

I'd rather have Bogo just for the off chance that he decides to go on a psychotic rampage again, he must be real good in the room as well.. Myers is just a softy no matter how hard he tried to be tough

We wanted Myers to be tough so bad. I remember jumping around like a crazy man when he put old Chris Pronger on his but during the playoffs.

 

[Husko]

Pipe dream roster time:

Kane-Stamkos-Eberle
Ennis-Eichel-Reinhart
Foligno-ROR-Gionta
Deslauriers-Larsson-Bailey/Fasching

Yandle-Risto
McCabe-Pysyk
Gorges-Franson

Bogo + Girgensons + 8 OA for Eberle + 4 OA

Sign Stamkos and Yandle.

Profit.

That defense just made me throw up a little

 

[stokes84]

My pipe dream has a better top 4.

Fine. Sign Vesey, trade Ennis/Foligno/Larsson + 2017 1st for (insert defenseman here).

I didn't have a strong feeling about it, so I left it as is. And the Pens should've made us all realize how easy it is for average defenders to play behind great forwards.

 

[Uberpecker]

I'm not a big proposal guy but I woke up this morning with this in my head... you'll probably tell me to go back to bed.

8th + Bogo + something smaller ( a third maybe?) -> EDM for 4

4 + Girg + 38 -> ANA for Lindholm. (not enough? too much?) But ANA is cap strapped, and they can keep Vatanen, Fowler and Despres. They may be forced to keep Bieksa. They all say they need an LW. Matt Tkachuk is there at 4.

Buffalo gives up 8, 38, Bogo and Girg for their #1 defenseman and Risto's countryman and they run the show for the next 10 years. They also pick up Bogo's $5/mil a year to give to someone else. Worth it to me.

(edit: I don't trust Bogo to stay healthy. Girgensons gets lost in the shuffle)

Maybe take one of Bieksa/Stoner off their hands, too in order to make it more enticing for them. And Lindholm is a Swede, so pretty much the opposite of Risto's countryman.

That being said, the point of the whole freeing up salary thing for Anaheim is to re-sign Lindholm. Other than due to some major differences in contract negotiations, I can't imagine them giving up on him, tbh. Just go ask Ducks fans.

Fine. Sign Vesey, trade Ennis/Foligno/Larsson + 2017 1st for (insert defenseman here).

I didn't have a strong feeling about it, so I left it as is. And the Pens should've made us all realize how easy it is for average defenders to play behind great forwards.

I'd say you have it backwards.

 

[Sabre Dance]

Fine. Sign Vesey, trade Ennis/Foligno/Larsson + 2017 1st for (insert defenseman here).

I didn't have a strong feeling about it, so I left it as is. And the Pens should've made us all realize how easy it is for average defenders to play behind great forwards.

Until we have someone like Letang we cant say see Pittsburgh.

 

[TehDoak]

Pipe dream roster time:

Kane-Stamkos-Eberle
Ennis-Eichel-Reinhart
Foligno-ROR-Gionta
Deslauriers-Larsson-Bailey/Fasching

Yandle-Risto
McCabe-Pysyk
Gorges-Franson

Bogo + Girgensons + 8 OA for Eberle + 4 OA

Sign Stamkos and Yandle.

Profit.

That trade makes me a little sick to my stomach. The cap between 8 and 4 is Pysyk or a 2nd.

Eberle is a one dimensional forward who puts up offense against teams poor QoC. Now given, he DOES produce. But, I'd imagine he'd be pretty useless in the playoffs.

No thanks at all.

 

[Heraldic]

That trade makes me a little sick to my stomach. The cap between 8 and 4 is Pysyk or a 2nd.

Eberle is a one dimensional forward who puts up offense against teams poor QoC. Now given, he DOES produce. But, I'd imagine he'd be pretty useless in the playoffs.

No thanks at all.

Eberle is small, soft and slow in addition to what you said. He'd be a terrible fit for this team.

That trade would make us significantly, softer, smaller, slower and defensively worse.

Horrible.

 

[stokes84]

Eberle is small, soft and slow in addition to what you said. He'd be a terrible fit for this team.

That trade would make us significantly, softer, smaller, slower and defensively worse.

Horrible.

This team has plenty of size and grit. What they lack in a MAJOR way is skill, which is exactly what he brings.

 

[Ace]

He also scores goals. People around here really hate that.

 

[stokes84]

He also scores goals. People around here really hate that.

You noticed that too, huh?

 

[Sabre Dance]

He also scores goals. People around here really hate that.

If we're getting 4th overall we don't need Eberle.

 

[Heraldic]

This team has plenty of size and grit. What they lack in a MAJOR way is skill, which is exactly what he brings.

We have enough skill where it matters the most - center.

Whether you want to follow Kings' or Pens' "model", Eberle fits neither.

You want players who have size/grit AND speed. Those players are not that easy to get. Girgs and Bogo both check that box.

 

[stokes84]

If we're getting 4th overall we don't need Eberle.

We will need a replacement for Kane on ELC.

 

[Sabre Dance]

We have enough skill where it matters the most - center.

Whether you want to follow Kings' or Pens' "model", Eberle fits neither.

You want players who have size/grit AND speed. Those players are not that easy to get. Girgs and Bogo both check that box.

Let's not act like similar things weren't said about Phil Kessel and Jeff Carter that are said about Eberle.

These players fit in, they don't lead.