Speculation: Roster Speculation Part VII

[truthbluth]

Please trade Pommers and Sheary

Bring up Olofsson and Nylander(When healthy)

Thank you.

Rearranging deck chairs...

 

[OkimLom]

The other difference being that Murray traded away first round picks for mild upgrades at best and Botterill traded away an ECHL forward and three lottery tickets for a guy who is literally second in the league in goals. I don't have any doubt in the world that Skinner will be extended as soon as we can do so for the full 8 years.

Mild upgrade? An unknown 1st round pick for a 20+ yearly goal scorer...

 

[Tyler2829]

Please trade Pommers and Sheary

Bring up Olofsson and Nylander(When healthy)

Thank you.

Nylander isn't even good in the AHL.

 

[CatsforReinhart]

Nylander isn't even good in the AHL.

Doesn't matter, need to see what we have at the NHL level. He did well in preseason.

It is called evaluation and it is normal once a team is out of the playoffs.

 

[Jim Bob]

Doesn't matter, need to see what we have at the NHL level. He did well in preseason.

It is called evaluation and it is normal once a team is out of the playoffs.

I wouldn't give up on a guy that is signed for next season to take a look at a guy like Nylander.

 

[Member 308457]

I dont understand your disdain.

She knock you ice cream cone over or something?

She, as lifelong President, keeps picking the wrong people. The Pegulas have opened up their wallets, sure. But they are not smart.

 

[Reddawg]

Mild upgrade? An unknown 1st round pick for a 20+ yearly goal scorer...

You're right, I misspoke. We shipped out Stafford in the process of getting Kane, and then Stafford went 21-17-38 for Winnipeg while we got 20-15-35 out of Kane his first year. A mild downgrade.

 

[OkimLom]

You're right, I misspoke. We shipped out Stafford in the process of getting Kane, and then Stafford went 21-17-38 for Winnipeg while we got 20-15-35 out of Kane his first year. A mild downgrade.

Oh you’re using the guy that was a UFA to be who said he wasn’t resigning here? That’s funny

 

[Jim Bob]

Is this a team that would benefit being coached by John Tortorella? We can't get rid of half our roster and Tortorella sure would be a wakeup call.

I'm not sure, but I will appreciate his approach to talking about player injuries.

 

[truthbluth]

Were back to Murray V Botts?
Both were pretty bad, but at least Murray traded FOR O’Reilly. He’ll always win any debate between the 2 for that fact alone.

 

[Reddawg]

Oh you’re using the guy that was a UFA to be who said he wasn’t resigning here? That’s funny

Hey, you're the one who said the only return they got for Kane was essentially Roslovic.

 

[Jim Bob]

Were back to Murray V Botts?
Both were pretty bad, but at least Murray traded FOR O’Reilly. He’ll always win any debate between the 2 for that fact alone.

Botterill's teams have averaged 73 pts per 82 games.

Murray's teams during his three full seasons as GM (including the McEichel tank season) averaged 71 pts per 82 games.

 

[Chainshot]

Botterill's teams have averaged 73 pts per 82 games.

Murray's teams during his three full seasons as GM (including the McEichel tank season) averaged 71 pts per 82 games.

So that's a couple of different colored turds, but both are turds.

 

[jc17]

Is this a team that would benefit being coached by John Tortorella? We can't get rid of half our roster and Tortorella sure would be a wakeup call.

No. The team can look demotivated at times but that isn't the reason for their struggles. The team is not talented enough to be successful. When you have a coach like Torts who blames 99% of failure on effort, it would just destroy the mental state of the players even more.

This team needs a coach that can create an environment where young guys can learn how to play effectively, and minimize the effect of vets that aren't good any more. The two kind of go hand-in-hand. Yeah young guys need someone to keep them accountable in terms of effort but I get the impression Torts can get in young players' heads and have a negative effect. Anyway, hes currently coaching a different team, so why does it matter?

 

[Havok89]

Were back to Murray V Botts?
Both were pretty bad, but at least Murray traded FOR O’Reilly. He’ll always win any debate between the 2 for that fact alone.

To be fair to Botterill, he sat on his hands and did nothing and was able to luck into a franchise defenseman in Dahlin.

It actually worked so good for him last year that he’s doing it again.

 

[truthbluth]

Botterill's teams have averaged 73 pts per 82 games.

Murray's teams during his three full seasons as GM (including the McEichel tank season) averaged 71 pts per 82 games.

Ooooh Kay
Based on the Sabres pace for the past 30 games, they will finish the season with 78 pts, at which point Botts’ average will be 70.

 

[Jim Bob]

So that's a couple of different colored turds, but both are turds.

It reminds me of a Ted Black quote...

If it's a turd burger, I'll have to put it on a bun and eat it. It's the way it is.

 

[Jim Bob]

Ooooh Kay
Based on the Sabres pace for the past 30 games, they will finish the season with 78 pts, at which point Botts’ average will be 70.

Exactly.

And if you compare the teams that each GM inherited and where they were pointing...

 

[jc17]

I think Botts has made some questionable decisions but averaging point totals over 2 seasons is not a good way to analyze things.

College sports fans know you need to wait for a coach to get his guys in the door.

Now you can take Botts moves and say his long-term plan doesn't look good and that would be fair, but going off of points is really pointless

 

[truthbluth]

Exactly.

And if you compare the teams that each GM inherited and where they were pointing...

Oh, I see. You are agreeing with me? Yes they are both terrible.

 

[Jim Bob]

I think Botts has made some questionable decisions but averaging point totals over 2 seasons is not a good way to analyze things.

College sports fans know you need to wait for a coach to get his guys in the door.

Now you can take Botts moves and say his long-term plan doesn't look good and that would be fair, but going off of points is really pointless

So, how do you judge the job a GM has done if not by looking at the on ice results of the team he manages?

 

[Jim Bob]

The most lopsided deadline trades in NHL history

The Sabres have been on the good side of more than their fair share of trades on this list.

 

[dortt]

The first year? You and I remember that very differently I guess. I remember Lehner being borderline horrible while The Chad was actually pretty good. The stats back that up as well, CJ won 22 of his 45 games with a 2.36/.920 while Lehner only won 5 out of his 21 starts with a worse GAA (slightly better SV%). Linus got almost as many starts that year as Lehner did and had three more wins.

.924 SP. But he could not win in OT or shootout

I was wrong about Johnson, I see. He actually was somewhat decent in the second half and put up a .920 SP

 

[OkimLom]

Hey, you're the one who said the only return they got for Kane was essentially Roslovic.

Yeah, because of a different GM’s job and decision.

 

[GellMann]

Skinner is far from perfect, like all of our good players, but if we let him walk or trade him we have 2 top six forwards, and no way to get even a third, much less six. Unless you think Stone would be interested in coming here, which we have zero proof for. Where would they come from? Our firsts, three of which have probably a 50% chance combined to spit out one decent player? Five years from now? Casey has improved recently but still hemorrhages pucks left and right and likely won't be a good top 6 player next year yet.

Holy crap this roster. What a position we've put ourselves in.