I guess 46 points in 50 games and 41st in scoring over 1000 NHL players is "brutal". I suppose only a return to the top 15 would be acceptable as an ok season. I would also say that the defensive play of the entire line also had something to do with the poor defensive stats on top of his injury.
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I guess 46 points in 50 games and 41st in scoring over 1000 NHL players is "brutal". I suppose only a return to the top 15 would be acceptable as an ok season. I would also say that the defensive play of the entire line also had something to do with the poor defensive stats on top of his injury.
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Pomo playing a vet over a prospect in the playoffs does not mean Harkins was not playing well...
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Copp is the smarter play on the 2nd line with PLD and Ehlers.
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Toninato is hardly a vet, he's played 32 more games than Harkins over 2 more years. But when you look at it, counting playoffs, Toninato had as many points as Harkins in 5 games as Harkins in 27. Harkins was part of the team that lost 7 of 8 in the stretch, with Ehlers out. So I think it's still a question of performance. A lot of people clamoured for Harkins to be our next 2c a year ago. Now he's just trying to become an everyday player.
Toninato had just turned 27 y/o. Are we supposed to believe that Maurice played him just because he was a vet?
Ya, what kind of idiot would want two top six level left wingers in the middle six….
Not to mention…
Time on ice 20-21:
Stastny: 17:24
Copp: 18:14
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I'm a bit worried about speed in our top 6 with both Stastny and Wheeler there. I think you have to split them up, which is unfortunate because it likely keeps Ehlers from playing with 81-55.
Connor Scheifele Wheeler
Stastny Dubois Ehlers
Copp Lowry Nash
Vesalainen Harkins Svechnichov
Toninato
Guessing Svech and Toninato will both sit some games so Mo can dress Beaulieu as a 7th defenseman (if I'm interpreting Mo's presser correctly).
Connor Scheifele Wheeler
Stastny Dubois Ehlers
Copp Lowry Nash
Vesalainen Harkins Svechnichov
Toninato
Guessing Svech and Toninato will both sit some games so Mo can dress Beaulieu as a 7th defenseman (if I'm interpreting Mo's presser correctly).
Agreed about the speed aspect. It might be even more noticeable if we move to a more aggressive system one Moe alluded to in his press conference.
I'm a bit concerned about team speed upfront as a whole as most of our forwards have average speed. We only have a couple of burners.
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definitely agree.
connor/ehlers are burners
no concern about copp/scheifele/harkins from a speed perspective
haven't seen speed from dubois but assuming he is average
lowry/stastny/wheeler are probably all to some degree below average
not sure about the rest - toninato/ves/svech/nash
Dubois was injured last year and didn't show his speed. He's definitely well above average when healthy.
Vesalianen is good skater, probably a bit above average.
After that is where it gets dicey.
Gus has below average quickness.
Svech had decent speed before his injuries which slowed him. Not sure where his skating is at now.
To me we really only have 4 plus skaters upfront I'm Ehlers, Conner, Scheifele and Dubois.
Copp, Harkins and Ves are fine and then the rest are probably below average.
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I recall when he was first hired, mentioning something about hating on coelacanth strategies on the ice; in particular their use of gas sacs in overtime.
So yes, he's not to be trusted.
stastny has played a variety of different team play-styles with Vegas, 17-18 Jets and last year's Jets and has done fine.
PLD being good/bad has 0 bearing on Stastny. he was basically the same player last season as years past. If you think he will lose his brain/hockey-iq, play-making abilities, FO abilities/200 ft play in an off-season, so be it. the guy doesn't have great physical tools (ie: shot or speed), but hasn't had that for years now, yet has performed absolutely fine as evidenced previously.
I hope if any player in the top-6 is playing poorly Maurice considers a change, not exclusive to Stastny. if PLD is underwhelming again i hope he considers something different, for example.
The guy will be 36 in a few months, Wheeler will also be another year older. I'm hoping for the best but am not going to assume either is a guarantee to perform at a high level given their age.
Hopefully they do but it is a bit of a concern especially as we don't exactly have a number of players outside of Cole with top 6 skill to step in if one or both falter.
Absolutely if lines/players aren't working I want Moe to not be afraid to change things up. For example I don't want to see CSW stay together for months at a time if they aren't effective.
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Matty Ps contract was signed on July 7 th 2016 and Ladd was traded a few months b4 the 2016 trade deadline in March
So. 3 months after Ladd was traded
this just in; players are a year old compared to last!
even if he falls off a cliff, he's still better than Svech likely - which was the initial post i was responding too, and you can include Ves and Harkins that mix too. Perfetti might be better but think Stastny would have to be really bad for him to be bumped, and given his strengths, i doubt a few months of an off-season will lead to that.
even if he falls off a cliff, he's still better than Svech likely - which was the initial post i was responding too, and you can include Ves and Harkins that mix too. Perfetti might be better but think Stastny would have to be really bad for him to be bumped, and given his strengths, i doubt a few months of an off-season will lead to that.
Go look around the league and at past players. Most players decline significantly around this age. Hopefully ours don't but it's a concern. You are free not to be concerned about it.
Sure neither Svech or Ves are likely good options to replace either barring a massive breakout by either hence why I'm a bit worried about our top 6 heading into this year. Hopefully any decline is offset by Dubois returning to form/taking a step forward.
id say most players decline sharply b/c of physical attributes (ie Speed) or injury, which Stastny really hasn't had for years now and has still remained an effective player.
players that rely on being high iq play makers w/ good all-around play can still be productive even at an older age. Thornton comes to mind, Krejci too. I suspect Backstrom will still be productive too in years to come. He's more in that mold than a guy (talking play-style) rather than one that is reliant on speed/great shot.
although having another C on the 2nd line is nice, if this org really signed Stastny to play Wing, then they probably could have found a better & more productive fit at W than him.
Hopefully PLD is better than him this year. there's no reason he shouldn't be, although thought the same last year too
players that rely on being high iq play makers w/ good all-around play can still be productive even at an older age. Thornton comes to mind, Krejci too. I suspect Backstrom will still be productive too in years to come. He's more in that mold than a guy (talking play-style) rather than one that is reliant on speed/great shot.
although having another C on the 2nd line is nice, if this org really signed Stastny to play Wing, then they probably could have found a better & more productive fit at W than him.
Hopefully PLD is better than him this year. there's no reason he shouldn't be, although thought the same last year too
id say most players decline sharply b/c of physical attributes (ie Speed) or injury, which Stastny really hasn't had for years now and has still remained an effective player.
players that rely on being high iq play makers w/ good all-around play can still be productive even at an older age. Thornton comes to mind, Krejci too. I suspect Backstrom will still be productive too in years to come. He's more in that mold than a guy (talking play-style) rather than one that is reliant on speed/great shot.
although having another C on the 2nd line is nice, if this org really signed Stastny to play Wing, then they probably could have found a better & more productive fit at W than him.
Hopefully PLD is better than him this year. there's no reason he shouldn't be, although thought the same last year too
Even those high IQ players like Thornton took a major hit in their effectiveness around Paul's age. Even if your smart you still need to be able to keep up and win battles to have an impact.
Anyhow we shall see how either fairs, I'm more worried about Blake then Paul as Blake's game revolves more around his physical attributes then Stastnys.
Imo Paul was brought back just as much if not more due room chemistry and mentorship ability then it was about impact and fit.
yea thornton going from 0.87 ppg from the 3 years preceding his 36 year old season, to a 1PPG player in his 36 YO year was such a major hit 
(this is tongue in cheek).
my initial post was responding to someone having stastny as a 4th liner and guy like svech and ves ahead of him. if you want to deal in hypothetical land and assume a bunch of negative shit happens to stastny & impacts his game, then for sure bump him down the depth chart.
(this is tongue in cheek). my initial post was responding to someone having stastny as a 4th liner and guy like svech and ves ahead of him. if you want to deal in hypothetical land and assume a bunch of negative shit happens to stastny & impacts his game, then for sure bump him down the depth chart.
yea thornton going from 0.87 ppg from the 3 years preceding his 36 year old season, to a 1PPG player in his 36 YO year was such a major hit
my initial post was responding to someone having stastny as a 4th liner and guy like svech and ves ahead of him. if you want to deal in hypothetical land and assume a bunch of negative shit happens to stastny & impacts his game, then for sure bump him down the depth chart.
And the year after at 37 he went to and stayed at a .6 ppg player. I said roughly the same age not the exact same age.
Are we also going to ignore that Thornton at his peak was a 100 plus point player. So yea a player that in his mid to late 30's was producing about half as much as he did at his peak is a pretty significant decline. Thornton is a first ballet hall of famer and had room to decline significantly and stay a good producer.
Paul doesn't have that same wiggle room. He's been a low 40 point player each of the last two years despite getting number 1 unit pp time. He doesn't have much if any leeway for a further decline in points before he produces below a second line rate.
Clearly if he gets supplanted in the top 6 Moe likely uses him on the third line.
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Paul is a place holder and will likely play on the second line not because he is our optimal second line player, but because we don't have anyone ready (or better) to step into top 6 minutes at this time.
This might change as the season progresses -
As a side note, I hope he stays where he is and I hope he has the gas to get through a long season playing those minutes.
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I agree. Cole may or may not be ready but my guess is they still want to give him atleast half a season in the AHL barring him making it impossible to send him down in camp.
No real surprise there. Unfortunately it just didn't work out for him here. Hopefully he's able to get a fresh start somewhere else.
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