CantLoseWithMatthews
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Big difference between trading a good one, and one of your top 2. We're stuck with Tavares due to his NMC. Given the fact the league is now highly about speed, and he's never ever been a fast skater, he's an anchor we're stuck with. Kapanen and/or Nylander are likely the ones to be moved. Johnsson could be in the mix, but he's older than Kapanen, and had a shitton of injuries this season. At least with Kap, whatever team takes him knows they at least have him up to rfa so they have some bargaining power. Both Johnsson and Nylander are ufas.I guess we just magically gonna get good defencemen without trading a good forward right
They're fans seem unwilling to make a single trade where they arent outright winning in value.I wonder if the Wild would be open to trading a defenseman for Andersen. They seem pretty desperate for goaltending. Dubas should be all over that
You gave Kadri pace and he still was under 60(58)7M= 31g 59p IS NOT GREAT VALUE,,geezus effn hell
4.5m 32g 60p (kadri) now that's great value
Kind of like Phil. It happens.
Would be more funny if Marner and Willie have career seasons after getting traded. Their fans constantly posting here saying it was a mistakes trading them away but Leafsnation get the last laugh as Leafs win the Cup
Depends on the return package though.we want the same thing (leafs cup). leafs may not even be a playoff team if they act rashly
Iam sorry but Nylander didn't even break a sweat in game five .Unpopular suggestion, but maybe something to think about. Stop trying to desperately clamber for the perfect partner to play with Rielly, and realize that he's a one dimensional player in need of sheltering, whose market value is not commensurate with his contributions, and that we could probably get a good return for him.
You can't move Tavares (NMC). You shouldn't move Matthews (easily the best player on this team). You shouldn't move Nylander (good value contract, will probably lose that trade). If Marner is somebody other teams are interested in, I think you strongly consider moving him, just because his cap-hit is so high.
Andersen only has one year left on his contract, and had his only bad season in four years here...why move him now, and probably have to pay a premium for some UFA goalie? Muzzin just signed an extension and is our best all-round defenseman. Dermott is good, young, & versatile, and will be cheap (projected $1.8 mil) for the next two seasons, no need to trade him. Everybody else? Expendable for sure...some players are valuable contributors on the cheap, so you shouldn't have to trade them, but shuffling up the makeup of the roster outside of the core group would be a good thing -- as long as we don't lose major value in a scramble to cover for playing styles.
Big difference between trading a good one, and one of your top 2. We're stuck with Tavares due to his NMC. Given the fact the league is now highly about speed, and he's never ever been a fast skater, he's an anchor we're stuck with. Kapanen and/or Nylander are likely the ones to be moved. Johnsson could be in the mix, but he's older than Kapanen, and had a shitton of injuries this season. At least with Kap, whatever team takes him knows they at least have him up to rfa so they have some bargaining power. Both Johnsson and Nylander are ufas.
It's also worth noting that Ceci and Barrie are almost guaranteed to walk. So there's a bunch of cap relief right there. As well as the retained salary on Lehner's contract. The big problem is what Freddie's going to ask for. He's at $5m per season, and after seeing how Bobrovsky basically robbed Florida, he's going to aim for no less than 8x5 imo. Then the season after that, you have Rielly, who's going to look for no less than $10m per for what's likely the max term.
The biggest problem is the Tavares signing. I can't believe Dubas thought that giving max term to a player who's already peaked was a good idea, meanwhile the team's D has as many holes as swiss cheese. He did really good with the Muzzin signing, but that's about it. He let McBackup walk in favour of a goalie who didn't even make the trip with his team to the playoffs.
[/QUOTE]1st move
Trade kapanen and dermott for manson and maybe a pick. Dermott is not a bad d but he's not what leafs need
2nd move trade alex kerfoot and andreas johnsson for prospect/pick
3nd i try to sign someone between tanev, brodie or hamonic
3B, if i can't sign one of those 3, i look via trade market for maybe a hjalmarsson, devon toews or someone lime that.
Hyman-matthews-marner
Mikheyev-tavares-nylander
Robertson-engvall-barabanov/bracco
Brooks/gauthier/spezza
Or other ufa at low price
Rielly/(tanev as exemple)
Muzzin/Manson
Sandin or Lehtonen/holl
We need that kind of D. Top4 is more important for the leafs than a 10M 3rd line unable to contribute on scoring sheet during playoff.
I would think the leafs quite easily do.... a 30 year old 5'10 defenseman and 32 year old 3rd line forward for a young elite winger?Marner for Ellis and Bonino.
Who says no?
Signing Matthews first was his biggest mistake.Tavares is nowhere near a problem. Dubas' biggest mistake was giving in to the Marner family demands. He wanted to be Matthews. Wanted the letter, wanted to fanfare, wanted the money.
Problem is, he's nowhere near the player.
i can live with the goat at league min as 4th line C waste of your 4th line, he's horrible at hockey
i can live with a 2/3 year 1m show me contract for soup ok
Hyman is fine at 2.25m if you think hyman only gets 2.25 on his extension, you haven't been paying attention
clifford at league min ,ok with me
Engvall at 1.25m,possible 3 C works
He's a capable #2rhd signed at a great deal for 6 years and a big 2 way C.... seems to address our needs. Maybe throw a pick in to balance it outI would think the leafs quite easily do.... a 30 year old 5'10 defenseman and 32 year old 3rd line forward for a young elite winger?
If moving Marner they would have to set their sights way higher than that.He's a capable #2rhd signed at a great deal for 6 years and a big 2 way C.... seems to address our needs. Maybe throw a pick in to balance it out
The forward looks a lot worse than now, having said that, the BIG 4 must play in 3 different lines in order to provide more depth scoring.
There are 2 viable options in free agency.
Pietrangelo who will cost a lot and Byfuglien who might be lured to play for 1 or 2 years for 6mm or so. We could get Byfuglien by not signing Ceci and Barrie. Any other trade is gravy. Byfuglien imo is the only viable option of having a competitive team without breaking the core.
Good of you to forget the others who are already on the books for raises.Ceci 4.5
Barrie 2.75
Johnsson 3.4
Thats 10.65 million, minus Robertsons 850k to replace Johnssson. Then your at 9.8 million for 2 players to replace Ceci and Barrie. Leafs could offer Pietroangelo 9 million and play the KHL signing or vet minimum.
If im Leafs management im listening on Anderson, Reilly, Kapanen, Marner, Nylander.
Ok just try to tell you than leafs 3rd line is not the most important thing
3rd line 40 ----> 30 goal from 3rd = -10
(kapanen 13, kerfoot 9, johnsson 8 stats of last season).
Goal allowed with an better d 222 ----> 202 = +20
Goal from blue line
if we upgrape our right side d, rielly, sandon/lehtonen and jake muzzin will be able to help our attack a little more
Rielly 6 ---->12 = + 6
Muzzin 6 ----> 10 = +4
Sandin/lehtonen 5 ---> 9 =. +4
Manson/tanev/holl 7 ---> 11 = +4
As exemple = +18
Total = +28
Ok its just an exemple of what upgrape our top4 d can do, yep maybe the 3rd line will produce a little less but that will significantly upgrape our team in general
Trite and specious. And the very notion of moving Marner vs Nylander is dumbI guess we just magically gonna get good defencemen without trading a good forward right
Who the hell cares how many goals our defense corps scores?
We can expect 120-130 goals from 4 forwards alone. It’s not goal scoring that is an issue.
We can’t seem to keep the puck out of our net, out of our zone, and on the sticks of our forwards.
Let’s fix that first. If we get 5 goals all year from the defense, but limit the time in our zone significantly, the forwards we have will score more.
We’re not CBJ or NJ or Minny that can take 300 shots and not score.
If Nylander going forward is a 30-40 goal 30-40 assist guy he will definitely be worth the 2.5M more than Kadri. Infact 7M will be a steal of a contract.when he is eating 2.5 million more cap hit per year ,,hrmm ya think he better?
puffing up points playing wing with Mathews or Tavares,,you find that impressive?
anytime a center comes close to the point totals of a winger,,the ties goes heavily to the much tougher position,,,center.
again,i will sayIf Nylander going forward is a 30-40 goal 30-40 assist guy he will definitely be worth the 2.5M more than Kadri. Infact 7M will be a steal of a contract.
Kadri is a fine player, but let's not kid ourselves, Nylander is the better player. There were moments in the season where he honestly looked better than JT. Nylander at 7M was the only contract I think Dubas got right to be honest. I get why JT had to be signed at 11M but that contract is going to look real ugly in the future. With JT's best years we can't even get out of the first round. Matthews' deal should have had more term and Marner is 2M-3M overpaid. It's unfortunate that to get a good deal on our RFA's a hold out is necessary, but if that's the case Dubas definitely should have told Marner to sit his bum down. The fact that they landed at 10.9M I can't even imagine what Marner was asking for. 12 Maybe 13M with the contingency that he's Captain with Paul getting all inclusive access to anything and everything Leafs.
It's sad because I actually love Marner. I remember praying that we wouldn't take Strome or Hanifin. I was one of his biggest supports on this board during his draft. I legit went crazy when we drafted him. He's such a good player. That contract has really soured my overall feelings towards him though. Just too much money for the guy and that will hurt our team going forward.