Speculation: Roster Building Thread Part XVI: C'mon, do something.

[Ori]

How can you say they are still far away if you just admitted you don't follow the team too closely?

I watch their roster recently and some of their prospects who did not pan out that well, but I don`t know their GM or staff so maybe they can fix it and go for it next year?
I`m just guessing, because I don`t know them that well compare to Rangers. I seldom watch their games, except when Rangers play against them for instant.

 

[Gardner McKay]

I watch their rooster recently and some of their prospects who did not pan out that well, but I don`t know their GM or staff so maybe they can fix it and go for it next year?
I`m just guessing, because I don`t know them that well compare to Rangers. I seldom watch their games, except when Rangers play against them for instant.

Again, they had Washington by the throat. If Bobrovsky plays like a decent goaltender, they easily win that series vs. Washington. There isn't at ton that needs to be fixed.

Now, let me ask you this Ori, if before the start of the 2016-2017 season you look at Vegas' roster, would you think they were a good team? Would you have thought that the Capitals had the right roster to win the cup? I am going to guess that the answer is no.

When you watch a roster and don't watch a team, it leads you to make wildly inaccurate assumptions.

Also, every team has prospects that don't pan out.

 

[Ori]

Maybe I did not watch that series @Gardner McKay. But I actually voted on Caps to win the serie and they did nonetheless.
I took a break end of this season so not much playoffs hockey for me I admit that. So you would go all in like a bet in huge $, m8 that CBJ will win it next year?
Yes, Vegas surprised us all this season including me - I would no way put money on that team concerning a Stanley cup final visit and go that far in the playoffs.

 

[wafflepadsave]

If I'm Gorton, I start to try and move the following guys over the next 2 years (obviously depending on return):

Zuccarello
Hayes
Namestnikov
Spooner
Beleskey
Vesey
Fast
Shattenkirk
Staal
Smith
Krieder
Zibanejad

Forgot to add gordie!

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

If I'm Gorton, I start to try and move the following guys over the next 2 years (obviously depending on return):

Zuccarello
Hayes
Namestnikov
Spooner
Beleskey
Vesey
Fast
Shattenkirk
Staal
Smith
Krieder
Zibanejad

So legitimately everyone is what you're saying?

 

[Ori]

My point was earlier was not really about CBJ as a Stanley cup contender next year or not, and that was certainly not my point, but specific about the Panarin trade Zib for Panarin which was proposed by another poster here. I don`t follow CBJ too closely so I can only make assumption bad or not about that franchise. But I got your point - maybe I should not assume anything about CBJ and just debate the Panarin trade value which I somewhat did in his last 3 seasons and posted stats about him.

 

[Fitzy]

The NY Rangers are not going to have zero 30+ players on their roster when they develop back into contention.

It's just not going to happen. That's a FHM strategy.

 

[I Eat Crow]

Panarin for Zibanejad is awful value. What if Panarin walks at the end of the season?

Even if Panarin is extended, I'm still not sure it's fair value.

 

[Machinehead]

Panarin for Zibanejad is awful value. What if Panarin walks at the end of the season?

Even if Panarin is extended, I'm still not sure it's fair value.

For one year of Panarin, I agree.

For an extended Panarin, we add significantly to Zibanejad.

 

[Ori]

Yes, I thought the same thing for CBJ, which is why I in the @Tawnos post, because I thought the value wise was a huge difference which is true. We need to add to move Zib + + for him right now, but as some other poster mentioned it`s not worth for us to give them 5 assets to sign Panarin and just wait until free agency and go all in.

 

[Doctyl]

With how bad we might be next season, I doubt Panarin would re-sign. Wouldn’t trade Zib for one year of Panarin. If he wants to come here as a FA after we draft Jack Hughes, that’s great.

 

[Fitzy]

Panarin for Zibanejad is awful value. What if Panarin walks at the end of the season?

Even if Panarin is extended, I'm still not sure it's fair value.

Panarin is one of the top 30 offensive players in the league. Has been top 20 in scoring each year.

I like Zibanejad but Panarin is a star forward at a good age. Given our center depth that move makes a lot of sense from multiple angles.

 

[TheTakedown]

I’d do it and if Panarin/CBJ isn’t working out I’m sure CBJ would do it too. We’d be stacked with Russians
Imagine-
Panarin-Chytil-Kravtsov

Panarin in 2019 would be INSANE on this team. That's why I am not a proponent of moving Hayes. Use this 2018-19 season as a development year for the entire team. I think the following things need to be identified prior to the end of this year:

What role does DeAngelo fit into on this team, if any role at all? Pionk?
Is it worth it to keep Hayes or trade him?
Can Staal actually be servicable in a zone defense system? Smith?
What are Andersson's, Chytil's, Kravtsov's, and a few of the bottom duty guys (Lettieri, Nieves, Fontaine, Pedrie, Howden, Hajek) roles on the following year's team?
Is Georgiev for real? How does he play out for the expansion draft?
How long can Lundqvist keep playing like this? Can he go until 40?

Once you have an idea of what those questions, you can start supplanting the team with top tier free agents. Panarin and Karlsson come to mind.

 

[TheTakedown]

Yeah, and?

He's a PPG player. You add those if you can

At some point they're going to hand out contracts to these guy when it's worth it. Panarin would be worth it

I think he was actually a proponent for signing him (I thought the same at first too, but read it again)

 

[archanfelnsx]

Any chance we are one of the teams that get a phone interview with Tavares? If not, what would be some good short term UFA options we could get on 1-2 year deals?

 

[Machinehead]

How long has Clark held his position?

 

[Kakko]

If we bottom out this year (not that I think we will), it would probably hurt our chances at big name FAs next sunmer.

 

[Machinehead]

Any chance we are one of the teams that get a phone interview with Tavares? If not, what would be some good short term UFA options we could get on 1-2 year deals?

They mentioned he met with 7 teams and we were not one of them.

I expect Gorton to sit on his hands in free agency because muhr rebuild.

 

[silverfish]

How long has Clark held his position?

He's been in the organization since 2002, but I don't know about his current position.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Well if the alternative is to splurge on big names, I hope he continues to sit on his hands.

If we bottom out this year (not that I think we will), it would probably hurt our chances at big name FAs next sunmer.

I don't think so.

MSG is always going to be an attractive destination for any player. If there is one thing that this organization does better than anyone, it's recruiting free agents.

 

[Machinehead]

Nobody said splurge on big names.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

And if the other option is to overpay for the middle market, again, I prefer that he sit on his hands.

They'll sign someone (probably more than 1 player) during the free agent period. They won't be the sexy names that some are hoping for but they shouldn't be.

This is kind of how a rebuild works.

 

[Oscar Lindberg]

How long has Clark held his position?

He's been in the organization since 2002, but I don't know about his current position.

According to elite prospects he's been the director of player personnel since the start of the 07-08 season

 

[Machinehead]

According to elite prospects he's been the director of player personnel since the start of the 07-08 season

Thanks.

I do my research before I hate everyone.

 

[DanielBrassard]

If you are going to sign a FA, sign the elite players that actually get there. The problem contracts are the guys like Smith who are solid, but fairly replaceable and don't provide high-end production.