Speculation: Roster Building Thread Part XVI: C'mon, do something.

[Ghost of jas]

The same Penguins that took Derrick Pouliot 8th overall when he was ranked in the low 20s?

And Washington passing up a skilled Russian? Not likely.

 

[Machinehead]

The same Penguins that took Derrick Pouliot 8th overall when he was ranked in the low 20s?

The GM who did that got fired, like Gorton hopefully will be soon.

 

[silverfish]

The GM who did that got fired, like Gorton hopefully will be soon.

 

[duhmetreE]

Yes but Zib is not even close for Pan @duhmetreE in consider player value. It will be one of those fantasy proposals category on this forum - which is why we ended up debated CBJ as a whole team, and I ended up with quote tunnels with @Gardner McKay and wrong assumptions, because I`m not that well updated about CBJ as a team related to strength and weaknesses. I just know a couple of their players including Panarin & Alexander Wennberg as players.

It is fair. Maybe a mid pick added.

Panarin wants out. He's a UFA next season. Zib is a young, good player with term and a decent salary.

In a vacuum, it would be unfair but in the cap era, salary and term hold value.

 

[Matt4776]

The GM who did that got fired, like Gorton hopefully will be soon.

Yeah if Gorton wins a cup and builds the roster for two more- I'd consider that a successful tenure.

 

[Ghost of jas]

The GM who did that got fired, like Gorton hopefully will be soon.

You mean Ray Shero, who’s now running the Devils, and just got them into the playoffs?

It’s going to be very ugly around here for at least another two years.

 

[Machinehead]

Yeah if Gorton wins a cup and builds the roster for two more- I'd consider that a successful tenure.

And he still got fired. Kind of goes to show how blind the trust in Gorton is around here.

 

[Machinehead]

You mean Ray Shero, who’s now running the Devils, and just got them into the playoffs?

It’s going to be very ugly around here for at least another two years.

Good, and then Gorton will be fired.

 

[Matt4776]

And he still got fired. Kind of goes to show how blind the trust in Gorton is around here.

Yeah, GMs tend to get fired. Everyone has a shelf life.

Rutherford also drafted Skinner at 7 when he was ranked mid teens, by the way.

 

[Griffinbw]

I guarantee you it wasn't Pittsburgh, Washington, or some of the other usual suspects.

You’re not wrong, but the Lottery gave the Rangers very limited options. At 10 was edmonton, who didn’t want to trade up and was trying to trade their own pick. 11 and 12 were the islanders, which wasn’t going to happen. I don’t think he would have been there at 13.

 

[duhmetreE]

I don't understand the Gorton hate.

 

[Machinehead]

Yeah, GMs tend to get fired. Everyone has a shelf life.

Rutherford also drafted Skinner at 7 when he was ranked mid teens, by the way.

I'm not saying every off the board pick is bad.

I'm just sick of how pompously this team goes off the board with every pick when they haven't even been a great drafting team.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Good, and then Gorton will be fired.

Gorton’s getting fired because HF is going to be a mess? Didn’t think that was part of his job description.

 

[Matt4776]

I'm not saying every off the board pick is bad.

I'm just sick of how pompously this team goes off the board with every pick when they haven't even been a great drafting team.

That's fair.

 

[Machinehead]

Gorton’s getting fired because HF is going to be a mess? Didn’t think that was part of his job description.

Oh this place. This place is always ugly.

I thought you were talking about the Rangers.

 

[duhmetreE]

I'm not saying every off the board pick is bad.

I'm just sick of how pompously this team goes off the board with every pick when they haven't even been a great drafting team.

That's Gorton trusting his scouts. If anything they need to swap out Clark

 

[mas0764]

I don't understand the Gorton hate.

Easy -- AV just got fired, Sather has been in the background, and Quinn hasn't coached a game yet.

Have to find the new non-player to hate on. It's always someone's fault in the front office or coaching staff.

 

[Machinehead]

That's Gorton trusting his scouts. If anything they need to swap out Clark

Fair

 

[Amazing Kreiderman]

Curious to see that the concensus feels the biggest top 2 needs are with the current roster?

1C
1LHD

 

[Irishguy42]

Easy -- AV just got fired, Sather has been in the background, and Quinn hasn't coached a game yet.

Have to find the new non-player to hate on. It's always someone's fault in the front office or coaching staff.

Right now, it's more Clark than Gorton

 

[mas0764]

That's Gorton trusting his scouts. If anything they need to swap out Clark

I agree about Clark. Not sure he needs to remain here.

 

[Ghost of jas]

Oh this place. This place is always ugly.

I thought you were talking about the Rangers.

Well, the Rangers are going to suck next year, but that’s a feature, not a bug.

 

[bobbop]

I just want to make a post with the expansion rules, maybe we can sticky this so everyone has the answers.
Protected Lists

* Clubs will have two options for players they wish to protect in the Expansion Draft:
a) Seven forwards, three defensemen and one goaltender
b) Eight skaters (forwards/defensemen) and one goaltender
* All players who have currently effective and continuing "No Movement" clauses at the time of the Expansion Draft (and who to decline to waive such clauses) must be protected (and will be counted toward their club's applicable protection limits).
* All first- and second-year professionals, as well as all unsigned draft choices, will be exempt from selection (and will not be counted toward their club's applicable protection limits).
Player Exposure Requirements

* All Clubs must meet the following minimum requirements regarding players exposed for selection in the Expansion Draft:
i) One defenseman who is a) under contract in 2017-18 and b) played in 40 or more NHL games the prior season OR played in 70 or more NHL games in the prior two seasons.
ii) Two forwards who are a) under contract in 2017-18 and b) played in 40 or more NHL games the prior season OR played in 70 or more NHL games in the prior two seasons.
iii) One goaltender who is under contract in 2017-18 or will be a restricted free agent at the expiration of his current contract immediately prior to 2017-18. If the club elects to make a restricted free agent goaltender available in order to meet this requirement, that goaltender must have received his qualifying offer prior to the submission of the club's protected list.
* Players with potential career-ending injuries who have missed more than the previous 60 consecutive games (or who otherwise have been confirmed to have a career-threatening injury) may not be used to satisfy a club's player exposure requirements, unless approval is received from the NHL. Such players also may be deemed exempt from selection by the League.


Player "Professional Experience" Definition Explained

A Player aged 18 or 19 earns a year of professional experience by playing 10 or more NHL games in a given NHL season
A player aged 20 or older (based on age on December 31 of calendar year in which the season starts) earns a year of professional experience by playing 10 or more Professional Games under a standard player contract in a given League Year. –GeneralFanager.com​

See here fore reference: Clarification On Definition Of First And Second Year Professionals - SinBin.vegas

The following situations are considered ineligible for count towards a professional season
ELC Slides--These are essentially non-documented seasons. They assume the player is too young to count, AND has not played a minimum games requirement. In any case, the player cannot accrue a professional season
International-League-Loaned Players--That is, any league where there is no transfer agreement. Players that play for the KHL are considered either "not in NHL" or if they leave for the KHL they are considered "defected players", and therefore these years do not count at ALL towards the Expansion Draft, even if in the middle of an ELC. Most other international leagues do not have a transfer agreement with the NHL.
Junior Loaned Players--Same as KHL years.
Players signed to Amateur Tryouts--These are not complete contracts, therefore they do not count towards an accrued professional season
Players signed to Professional Tryouts--Same as ATO
​

What does this mean for the Rangers?
Remember that the Expansion draft will happen in June of 2o20, which is part of the 2019-20 season.
Any of our recent draft picks will still be in their 2nd professional season during the 2020 Expansion Draft, even if they signed an ELC today. Most of our 2017 draft picks haven't

The following players will be exempt from the expansion draft, regardless of whether or not we begin to use their ELC's this season:
Chytil
Andersson
Kravtsov
Howden
Hajek
Day
Gettinger
Lindqvist
Miller
Lindgren
Rykov
Meskanen
Shesterkin
Any other 2017 Draft Pick that either a) signed an ELC that had a slide year, or b) has not yet signed an ELC
Any 2018 Draft Pick, regardless of whether or not they sign an ELC.
Any 2019 Draft Pick, regardless of whether or not they sign an ELC.



The following players will require protection in order to keep:
Staal*
Shattenkirk*
Lundqvist*
Zibanejad*
Hayes
Buchnevich
Skjei
Vesey
Spooner
Namestnikov
Fast
Kreider
Zuccarello
DeAngelo
Pionk
Vesey
Any 2017 Draft Pick that a) signed an ELC and burned a year off the contract, or b) signed an ELC and played in the NHL past the age of 20 for at least 2 full seasons

* = indicates NMC active during 2020 Expansion Draft

The following prospects are most likely left exposed:
Gropp
Lettieri
Pedrie
Crawley
Georgiev
Nieves

I've left out most of the UFA's that are throwaways. We can update this later, but this is important info that Gorton is probably considering when it comes to rebuilding this team. We picked a good time to do all this.

According to CapFriendly, neither Shattenkirk or Zibanajad would require protection.

 

[mas0764]

Don't the lottery odds change next year?

So in theory we could finish 7th, 8th, something like that and still have a decent shot at the #1 overall pick?

 

[Quinnisinoverhishead]

Yeah, GMs tend to get fired. Everyone has a shelf life.

Rutherford also drafted Skinner at 7 when he was ranked mid teens, by the way.

Any scout that had Skinner outside of the 10, was due to his height. He was a consensus top 10 pick.