Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part XIII

[Edge]

I agree that you have to swing hard in the later rounds. What are you losing: a 10% chance at an NHL player?

There was nothing wrong with the Day pick.

If anything, the Rangers have been a solid team with late picks. We haven't really nailed the high picks and sometimes traded too many of them.

For better or worse, how our top 10 picks from 2017-2019 (maybe 2020) perform will go a long way toward deciding how much easier it is for this franchise to move forward, and what kind of drafting legacy we establish for this era.

 

[Machinehead]

For better or worse, how our top 10 picks from 2017-2019 (maybe 2020) perform will go a long way toward deciding how much easier it is for this franchise to move forward, and what kind of drafting legacy we establish for this era.

I would also think it decides Gorton's future.

 

[True Blue]

Cozens, Newhood, Turcotte.....would take any. Figure no chance at Hughes or Kakko.

This past draft and the upcoming one will truly mark Gorton. Feel like those are the two that will either make or break the rebuild.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Cozens, Newhood, Turcotte.....would take any. Figure no chance at Hughes or Kakko.

This past draft and the upcoming one will truly mark Gorton. Feel like those are the two that will either make or break the rebuild.

We're well positioned for one or the other at the moment.

 

[Machinehead]

We're well positioned for one or the other at the moment.

Until three teams jump us in the lottery because Rangers.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Until three teams jump us in the lottery because Rangers.

It may happen, but I'd bet against it.

 

[Machinehead]

Like I said, they should just rig it for us, and I would be so perfectly ok with that.

f*** everybody else. The Caps, Eagles, and Red Sox are defending champs. I'm very open to cheating at this point.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Cozens, Newhood, Turcotte.....would take any. Figure no chance at Hughes or Kakko.

This past draft and the upcoming one will truly mark Gorton. Feel like those are the two that will either make or break the rebuild.

Based on what?

 

[I Eat Crow]

Brooks' speculation piece from yesterday is interesting. I wonder how much of it is Gorton using Brooksie as a puppet to speak through the media to say "We're open for business on Hayes and Zuccarello, what are your offers?" to every other GM in the league.

It takes two to tango. A lot of teams that though they would be better this year (Flyers, Panthers, Stars, Blues, Kings, Vegas) are off to slow starts and are waiting a few more weeks to really see what their team is this year. American Thanksgiving has been used as a benchmark to predicate the rest of the season's success. If you're in or out of the playoffs by American Thanksgiving, you have a 75% chance of remaining there. Who is going to emerge from the pack and try to make another push?

The Rangers are realistic about who they are this year. Gorton should be open for business on all of the UFA's. I bet he's listening on just about everyone that doesn't have a boat anchor attached to them. Gorton is in a unique situation to set the market this year rather than wait until two weeks before the deadline before making moves. There will be players that are waived that can fill in as warm bodies if a Hayes or Zuccarello gets dealt for a nice offer.

 

[McRanger]

Based on what?

It's the Rangers.

 

[True Blue]

We're well positioned for one or the other at the moment.

Again, I have no expectation that as long as Bettman is in charge of the NHL that such a thing would occur.

 

[True Blue]

Based on what?

Based on this being a Bettman NHL. Call it conspiracy theory, whatever you want. I have always felt that Bettman could not stand the Rangers in particular and big market teams in general.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Based on this being a Bettman NHL. Call it conspiracy theory, whatever you want. I have always felt that Bettman could not stand the Rangers in particular and big market teams in general.

It's the Rangers.

Matthews. Toronto.

 

[offdacrossbar]

i would think 2 seasons of suck would assure a boat load of talent via the draft.

those drafts plus whats in our systen now should be enough

last year this year and next year will be watershed drafts.

 

[Machinehead]

The problem with the Rangers, if you're of the belief that the league is controlling the lottery, [which I wouldn't put completely out of the realm of possibility, it's all about money] is that the Rangers could be irrelevant for two decades and still poor money into the league's pockets. We've seen this with the Knicks.

That being said, you could probably say the same for Maple Leafs and their ship came in.

 

[McRanger]

The problem with the Rangers, if you're of the belief that the league is controlling the lottery, [which I wouldn't put completely out of the realm of possibility, it's all about money] is that the Rangers could be irrelevant for two decades and still poor money into the league's pockets. We've seen this with the Knicks.

That being said, you could probably say the same for Maple Leafs and their ship came in.

I don't think its a conspiracy. I just think the Rangers are unlucky.

 

[BleedinBLUEsince92]

The problem with the Rangers, if you're of the belief that the league is controlling the lottery, [which I wouldn't put completely out of the realm of possibility, it's all about money] is that the Rangers could be irrelevant for two decades and still poor money into the league's pockets. We've seen this with the Knicks.

That being said, you could probably say the same for Maple Leafs and their ship came in.

I’ll always be skeptical just for the fact they don’t actually show the lottery pickings live. One thing I’ll say though is it doesn’t seem likely it’s rigged. For example the year the Devils, Flyers, and Stars all won a lottery pick. Those teams winning and the spots they won at seems way to random rather than some planned out conspiracy.

 

[Inferno]

Jack Hughes is a center version of Patrick Kane. He's legit franchise altering.

 

[Machinehead]

I’ll always be skeptical just for the fact they don’t actually show the lottery pickings live. One thing I’ll say though is it doesn’t seem likely it’s rigged. For example the year the Devils, Flyers, and Stars all won a lottery pick. Those teams winning and the spots they won at seems way to random rather than some planned out conspiracy.

No it definitely seems inconsistent if anything and certain teams getting it doesn't fit the paradigm.

But then there's Pittsburgh in 2005, don't get me started.

 

[DutchShamrock]

Matthews. Toronto.

Again, Shanahan had a front row seat in the league office. Gary can't play games at that point.

This would be going waaaaay off the range and not something I remotely buy, but if there was some conspiracy I would say Shanny had Gary dead to rights and "won" Matthews, then Buffalo got Dahlen as compensation. But then that's a lot of people in a conspiracy which is the point when reality leaves the room.

 

[offdacrossbar]

been awhile since we could say for sure that we are in on a player like that

weve watched as this type of kid has been drafted while we settle for kids outside the top 5 or so

skilled centers like this are organization changers. adding hughes adds elite talent. sounds good.

tank on

 

[Edge]

I would also think it decides Gorton's future.

And Clark.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Again, Shanahan had a front row seat in the league office. Gary can't play games at that point.

This would be going waaaaay off the range and not something I remotely buy, but if there was some conspiracy I would say Shanny had Gary dead to rights and "won" Matthews, then Buffalo got Dahlen as compensation. But then that's a lot of people in a conspiracy which is the point when reality leaves the room.

Buffalo "Dahlen" despite having the best odds in the NHL of winning that pick?

I like you guys. I respect many of you. But, the wild conspiracy theories when it comes to the lottery are a bit much for me.

 

[Fvital92]

It may happen, but I'd bet against it.

That would be ill advised if you look at the lottery odds.

 

[Bleed Ranger Blue]

I don't think its a conspiracy. I just think the Rangers are unlucky.

Agreed. Also too much pride to put themselves in a position to get luckier.