Speculation: Roster Building Thread: Part LVIII

[NYR Viper]

If Eichel wants out, Buffalo has no choice but to take back the best package they can get for him.

No one will offer anything like the 1 OA or Kakko. And again, what team has the space/assets to match or beat a base package around Chytil, DeAngelo and the 22OA?

Not saying thats all it would take, but thats a young center, a young, top 5 offensive D in the league and the pick to start.

Let's look at the list of teams who would be able to make a move for Eichel and put together a package of futures that would entice Buffalo.

Let's first rule out everyone in their division. There's NO chance they trade Eichel to Boston, Montreal, Toronto, Ottawa, Detroit. They'd be seeing him FAR too regularly for that to work out well.

Montreal - No
Toronto - No
Boston - No
Detroit - No
Ottawa - No
FLA - No
TB - No

Philly - With what cap space?
NYR -
NYI - With what cap space?
NJ - Who are they trading?
CAR - No need or cap space
PIT - No cap space or the trade pieces to make it work
WAS - No space or pieces

STL - With what cap space?
COL - Who are they trading? Maybe Byram? Can they fit him in once Mack needs a contract?
DAL - Who are they trading that is more attractive than what the Rangers are offering?
NSH - See Dallas
WPG - Maybe Laine +?
MIN - What pieces do the have that would entice Buffalo?
CHI - Maybe?

VEG - What pieces?
EDM - No need
VAN - Cap hell
CAL - Maybe?
ARI - What pieces?
ANA - Maybe?
LA - Maybe?
SJ - What pieces?

So that leaves as possible teams who can MAYBE give them what they would want:

NYR
LA
ANA
CAL
CHI
WPG

 

[thethirdhockeyman91]

Bob Mckenzie never posts a rumor unless there is some legitimate traction to it. The fact that he only mentioned the Rangers means it must be a strong possibility.

 

[NYR Viper]

ADA and Strome are projected to get about 5 mil each, so that's roughly 10 mil in and 11 mil out, but we have to replace ADA and Chytil. Assume the replacements make 2 mil total. It's a little tighter, but doable, depending on what Lemmy gets.

I just don't see any reason why Buffalo would accept that. In the unlikely event that Buffalo trades Eichel, they are going to be looking for roster players who make them better now. They aren't going to want futures, and everything you are offering is futures, except ADA. And no, I don't think adding Strome to the deal would move the needle. I honestly don't see a deal happening unless we send Zibby +.

Fair, but the cap numbers can work both this year and next. Beyond that, of course it's blurry

 

[Polar Bear]

I’ve literally accomplished nothing productive today, aside for ordering $39 of BarTaco.

Mexican food disgusts me.

 

[JESSEWENEEDTOCOOK]

Mexican food disgusts me.

BarTaco? More like BarfTaco

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

How many roster players do you want to lose so we can add Eichel? And how does that help a team that already has depth issues?

If you can land a franchise center for "depth" players, you do that every single time. Dynasties are built around foundational players. If the NYR believe thats Eichel could be one of those players, you go get him and worry about depth later.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Let's look at the list of teams who would be able to make a move for Eichel and put together a package of futures that would entice Buffalo.

Let's first rule out everyone in their division. There's NO chance they trade Eichel to Boston, Montreal, Toronto, Ottawa, Detroit. They'd be seeing him FAR too regularly for that to work out well.

Montreal - No
Toronto - No
Boston - No
Detroit - No
Ottawa - No
FLA - No
TB - No

Philly - With what cap space?
NYR -
NYI - With what cap space?
NJ - Who are they trading?
CAR - No need or cap space
PIT - No cap space or the trade pieces to make it work
WAS - No space or pieces

STL - With what cap space?
COL - Who are they trading? Maybe Byram? Can they fit him in once Mack needs a contract?
DAL - Who are they trading that is more attractive than what the Rangers are offering?
NSH - See Dallas
WPG - Maybe Laine +?
MIN - What pieces do the have that would entice Buffalo?
CHI - Maybe?

VEG - What pieces?
EDM - No need
VAN - Cap hell
CAL - Maybe?
ARI - What pieces?
ANA - Maybe?
LA - Maybe?
SJ - What pieces?

So that leaves as possible teams who can MAYBE give them what they would want:

NYR
LA
ANA
CAL
CHI
WPG

Yeah and while he doesn't have "no trade" protection yet, you can bet that he has some pull as to where he will go so you can take out the Western Canadian teams (the last thing a team wants to do is trade for a guy who really has no desire to play with them.)

so that leaves...

LA
Chicago
Anaheim.

LA has the prospects, Anaheim is kind of in flux as is Chicago. In terms of immediate impact and quality, Chytil+ADA is something that none of those teams can touch.

 

[Ghost of jas]

How many roster players do you want to lose so we can add Eichel? And how does that help a team that already has depth issues?

My point is that it can been done financially without including Trouba. Trouba's $8 million just had $5.7 cut out of it, based Larry's math. If the Rangers use Buchnevich to bring back a 2C, Strome is more than likely getting moved as a cost cutting measure. And, we still don't know how Lundqvist is getting handled, or whether the Rangers do end up dealing DeAngelo.

 

[NYR Viper]

How many roster players do you want to lose so we can add Eichel? And how does that help a team that already has depth issues?

I'm more than okay with adding Eichel at the expense of guys like Buch, ADA and Strome. The organization has depth coming and they would have 4-6 guys already in house who elevate their linemates play (Panarin, Zib, Kreider, Laf, Eichel and maybe Kaako?).

 

[Trxjw]

ADA and Strome are projected to get about 5 mil each, so that's roughly 10 mil in and 11 mil out, but we have to replace ADA and Chytil. Assume the replacements make 2 mil total. It's a little tighter, but doable, depending on what Lemmy gets.

I just don't see any reason why Buffalo would accept that. In the unlikely event that Buffalo trades Eichel, they are going to be looking for roster players who make them better now. They aren't going to want futures, and everything you are offering is futures, except ADA. And no, I don't think adding Strome to the deal would move the needle. I honestly don't see a deal happening unless we send Zibby +.

Well the premise for all of this is that Eichel wants to leave. Otherwise there's no reason for the Sabres to even be considering it. If they move Eichel they're 100% entering a new rebuilding era. Getting Zibanejad seems good in the short term but the centerpiece for Eichel walking away in two years is a pretty damn bad look for that front office.

Buffalo knows they have a problem when it comes to being an attractive place to play. Not a major market. Not a hot city. Had to severely overpay Skinner just to get him to stay. Having young, cost controlled players is going to be critical if they're going to rebuild a contender. Once guys have the option to leave, they're almost certainly going to leave unless they can rebuild their brand.

 

[GAGLine]

If you can land a franchise center for "depth" players, you do that every single time. Dynasties are built around foundational players. If the NYR believe thats Eichel could be one of those players, you go get him and worry about depth later.

Like when Toronto signed Tavares? We already have plenty of foundational players? This isn't pokemon. We don't need to catch them all.

 

[thethirdhockeyman91]

If you can land a franchise center for "depth" players, you do that every single time. Dynasties are built around foundational players. If the NYR believe thats Eichel could be one of those players, you go get him and worry about depth later.

Agreed. Just the thought of Mika and Eichel down the middle makes me rock hard.

 

[NYR Viper]

Like when Toronto signed Tavares? We already have plenty of foundational players? This isn't pokemon. We don't need to catch them all.

I think one of the many differences there is that the Rangers have a glut of young inexpensive ELC talent still on the way or on the roster currently. Toronto had little behind their big guys. Also their defense was atrocious.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Eric Lindros coming out of juniors didn't bring back the 1OA.

I think I just have a hard time envisioning outside of NHL 20 an actual NHL roster consisting of Panarin, Zibanejad, Kakko, Laf, Eichel, Kreider. The amount of talent in that top 6 is absolutely silly.

 

[Bacon Artemi Bravo]

Like when Toronto signed Tavares? We already have plenty of foundational players? This isn't pokemon. We don't need to catch them all.

I'm sorry but franchise centers are crucial to long-term success and sustained success in the playoffs. Depending on the cost I still stand by my assertion that if you can add a franchise center for "depth" pieces, you do it every time.

 

[TheBloodyNine]

Let's look at the list of teams who would be able to make a move for Eichel and put together a package of futures that would entice Buffalo.



NYR
LA
ANA
CAL
CHI
WPG

And of these teams, we would make the most sense. LA is still in the early to mid rebuild stages, have cap commitments and center is not an area of need for them, especially after they make their pick. Anaheim also in the beginning stages and not as cash rich. Calgary could but they can't compete with us assets wise. Chicago has a good pool but they'd have 30 mill tied up in 3 players with Toews and Kane, plus they couldn't compete assets wise. Winnipeg has a major asset in Laine but I just don't see that working, and as @GoAwayStaal says, he's not gonna wanna play in Winnipeg, because almost nobody does.

 

[Ghost of jas]

I think one of the many differences there is that the Rangers have a glut of young inexpensive ELC talent still on the way or on the roster currently. Toronto had little behind their big guys. Also their defense was atrocious.

Exactly. The Rangers have a lot of quality pieces on defense that will be inexpensive for the near future.

 

[Ghost of jas]

I think I just have a hard time envisioning outside of NHL 20 an actual NHL roster consisting of Panarin, Zibanejad, Kakko, Laf, Eichel, Kreider. The amount of talent in that top 6 is absolutely silly.

Agreed, and I'm not saying a deal is going to happen. And, more than likely, acquiring Eichel means goodbye to Zibanejad in two years.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

And of these teams, we would make the most sense. LA is still in the early to mid rebuild stages, have cap commitments and center is not an area of need for them, especially after they make their pick. Anaheim also in the beginning stages and not as cash rich. Calgary could but they can't compete with us assets wise. Chicago has a good pool but they'd have 30 mill tied up in 3 players with Toews and Kane, plus they couldn't compete assets wise. Winnipeg has a major asset in Laine but I just don't see that working.

Looking at their situation, they could theoretically package together DeBrincat+Boqvist and their 2020 1st which is is higher than our Carolina pick.

DeBrincat had a pretty crap season, but he's still just 22 and has a track record. I guess they fall into the possible category as well.

 

[Riche16]

Or his salary comes from what you saved with Staal, what you save on ADA going the other way, and moving Strome for the picks that no one thinks the Rangers would move him for.

And suddenly those ELC's for Lafreniere, Kakko, Lundkvist, Shesterkin, etc. all start to come into focus.

Forgive my ask but wouldn’t one of those ELCs be going along with ADA?
I can’t imagine Buffalo taking ADA and a 21 1st rounder giving us the goods to be damn good next yr (even with our LD issue that isn’t resolved)

 

[NYSPORTS]

Let's look at the list of teams who would be able to make a move for Eichel and put together a package of futures that would entice Buffalo.

Let's first rule out everyone in their division. There's NO chance they trade Eichel to Boston, Montreal, Toronto, Ottawa, Detroit. They'd be seeing him FAR too regularly for that to work out well.

Montreal - No
Toronto - No
Boston - No
Detroit - No
Ottawa - No
FLA - No
TB - No

Philly - With what cap space?
NYR -
NYI - With what cap space?
NJ - Who are they trading?
CAR - No need or cap space
PIT - No cap space or the trade pieces to make it work
WAS - No space or pieces

STL - With what cap space?
COL - Who are they trading? Maybe Byram? Can they fit him in once Mack needs a contract?
DAL - Who are they trading that is more attractive than what the Rangers are offering?
NSH - See Dallas
WPG - Maybe Laine +?
MIN - What pieces do the have that would entice Buffalo?
CHI - Maybe?

VEG - What pieces?
EDM - No need
VAN - Cap hell
CAL - Maybe?
ARI - What pieces?
ANA - Maybe?
LA - Maybe?
SJ - What pieces?

So that leaves as possible teams who can MAYBE give them what they would want:

NYR
LA
ANA
CAL
CHI
WPG

I think Buffalo would gladly work with the Rangers if they want to rebuild their team. Find a team with some cap room and a ton of prospects.

problem is the Rangers cap will be a mess and, again, i think you lose Zibby. Now you’re out Zibby and the prospects.

i don’t like the sound of that. Do you?

 

[East Coast Bias]

The more I think about it, maybe these conversations went on weeks ago that Bob was privy to but didn't take all that seriously bc it kept coming down to "none of this matters unless the Rangers clear Staal or Hank cap cleanly off the books." Everything pointed at Hank. No one even thought about Staal.

He figured it was all such a big what if...........until Staal cleared and now that hurdle cleared so he should report it.

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

Forgive my ask but wouldn’t one of those ELCs be going along with ADA?
I can’t imagine Buffalo taking ADA and a 21 1st rounder giving us the goods to be damn good next yr (even with our LD issue that isn’t resolved)

Chytil.

 

[Gardner McKay]

Agreed, and I'm not saying a deal is going to happen. And, more than likely, acquiring Eichel means goodbye to Zibanejad in two years.

No I know. I would be alright with that. Eichel would still have three years left and Mika will be looking for an absurd pay day.

 

[Leetch3]

Sharks remain interested in a goalie. They've chatted with the Rangers a few times over the last 10 months. Sometimes players were discussed, sometimes picks. No deal reached yet.

any idea on the players or caliber players being discussed? just curious what type of deal is realistic for georgiev if not picks...