Roster and Fantasy GM Thread: Pre-Draft Silly Season

[y2kcanucks]

Also all this stuff about Zadina falling, Hughes falling, and Kotkaniemi going in the top 5 makes me think a lot of boards are going to get wild.

If Zadina falls to 7 there's no way in hell I trade down. I take him and run.

 

[y2kcanucks]

Karlsson may be on the move this week, what would you guys offer?

My proposal:
2017 1st round
2018 1st round
Bo Horvat
Olli Juolevi

I know this is a lot, but this is what will take to get a franchise, generational defenceman. We don't have any assets to do a 1:1 like Weber for Subban.

You would trade Pettersson, the 7th overall pick this year, Horvat and Juolevi for Karlsson who only has 1 year left on his contract?

 

[Superlative Soup]

Karlsson may be on the move this week, what would you guys offer?

My proposal:
2017 1st round
2018 1st round
Bo Horvat
Olli Juolevi

I know this is a lot, but this is what will take to get a franchise, generational defenceman. We don't have any assets to do a 1:1 like Weber for Subban.

No Jimbo, don't do it.

 

[GetFocht]

You would trade Pettersson, the 7th overall pick this year, Horvat and Juolevi for Karlsson who only has 1 year left on his contract?

got my years wrong, I meant 2018,2019.

 

[y2kcanucks]

got my years wrong, I meant 2018,2019.

With Karlsson or without we're going to be at the bottom of the standings next year. That would be such an awful trade. It would look as bad as the trade the Brooklyn Nets made with the Boston Celtics.

 

[tyhee]

Karlsson may be on the move this week, what would you guys offer?

My proposal:
2017 1st round
2018 1st round
Bo Horvat
Olli Juolevi

I know this is a lot, but this is what will take to get a franchise, generational defenceman. We don't have any assets to do a 1:1 like Weber for Subban.

got my years wrong, I meant 2018,2019.

On the offchance that this was a serious proposal:

If the Canucks' were one defenceman away from being a Stanley Cup favourite some would like that proposal, though I wouldn't be among them.

Obviously it would be unthinkable unless they had Karlsson's agreement on an extension. Giving away their future for one year of Karlsson when all he'd do is bring them up to mediocrity would be hilariously bad.

Even with an extension agreed to, with the Canucks being a poor team that is unlikely to compete for some time, acquring a franchise defenceman in exchange for their future is completely backwards.

Further, what kind of extension do you think Karlsson's going to get? I'd be very surprised if he gets less than seven years or less than $7.5 million per (and expect it to be higher than that) and the seven years would take him through his age 35 season. While he may be really effective that whole time, it is more common for players to experience at least some age related decline as they enter their 30's and certainly before they hit their mid-30's. The expecation when you sign a long term deal with a player of that age is that you're getting most of the benefit in the early years of the contract and hoping the last years aren't too bad.

So not only would the proposal trading futures for Karlsson be inconsistent with their present situation, but the contract extension for Karlsson would work in favour of the present as well, while hoping that he'd remain good enough through to age 35 that the future would be ok.

 

[Wo Yorfat]

Karlsson may be on the move this week, what would you guys offer?

My proposal:
2017 1st round
2018 1st round
Bo Horvat
Olli Juolevi

I know this is a lot, but this is what will take to get a franchise, generational defenceman. We don't have any assets to do a 1:1 like Weber for Subban.

Perfect. Rebuild complete.

 

[Nuckles]

Smart GM trying to take advantage of dumb GM.

 

[wonton15]

Don't do it Jimbo. Don't!!!!

 

[Melvin]

You don't trade for players you trade for contracts.

 

[Nuckles]

I can't help but feel like they're going to rush a Tanev trade this weekend in an attempt to get another 1st round pick.

Also this

"rebuilding" team btw

I can definitely see them trading the 7th for someone like Hanifin and then trading Tanev for a late 1st and a mediocre prospect.

 

[Canadian Canuck]

I can't help but feel like they're going to rush a Tanev trade this weekend in an attempt to get another 1st round pick.

Also this


"rebuilding" team btw

As long as a 1st is in a Tanev deal I won't be that upset.

 

[Canadian Canuck]

Smart GM trying to take advantage of dumb GM.

That pick better be a 2019 1st

 

[Nuckles]

As long as a 1st is in a Tanev deal I won't be that upset.

Just getting a late 1st for Tanev would be a poor return.

 

[Fire Benning]

If they trade Tanev at the draft, it better be an appropriate return.

 

[Superlative Soup]

Jimbo will settle for Connor Brown as the center piece and say “nobody is trading draft picks.”

Brown checks all the boxes for Jim’s tweener forward love.

 

[Bleach Clean]

I can't help but feel like they're going to rush a Tanev trade this weekend in an attempt to get another 1st round pick.

Also this

"rebuilding" team btw

I can definitely see them trading the 7th for someone like Hanifin and then trading Tanev for a late 1st and a mediocre prospect.

That would be so disheartening to witness. Get screwed on both deals. Now is not the time to trade Tanev, and Hanafin is not nearly good enough to justify trading 7th overall.

Tense time to be a Canucks fan.

 

[JuniorNelson]

Most of these rumors are baseless click bait, IMO. Canucks need to build through the draft and they need Chris Tanev.

 

[BROCK HUGHES]

Most of these rumors are baseless click bait, IMO. Canucks need to build through the draft and they need Chris Tanev.

Im thinking that where there is smoke,there is usually fire.I can see Benning moving Tanev,then trading the 7th for Hannifin.
Or maybe they have somone in mind come UFA day,,,

 

[Horse McHindu]

I’m deciding in my mind as to whether I’d like this kind of roster:

-something involving Tanev and Liljegren
-7thOA for Hanifin if Dobson and Bouchard are taken and one of Zadina, Tkachuk, or Wahlstrom is available at #7 which gets Carolina excited.

Leipsic-Horvat-Boeser
Goldobin-Gagner-Virtanen
Dahlen-Gaudette-Pettersson
Baertschi-Sutter-Eriksson

Edler-Gudbranson
Hanifin-Liljegren
Hutton-Biega

Markstrom
Demko

 

[iceburg]

I see the bar is being set high for Tanev so there will be fuel for a trash JB narrative...

He could be a valuable addition for a contender but the market for Tanev will be narrow. Expectations should be a 2nd + a B-prospect or a low 1st if multiple teams get involved. The Canucks will have to decide if he's worth more as a mentor to the likes of Juolevi, Pouliot, Stecher.

I maintain that they would get more at the trade deadline for Tanev.

 

[GetFocht]

He won't be traded, looks like Canucks won't let him go unless the offer is very good.

 

[Bleach Clean]

I see the bar is being set high for Tanev so there will be fuel for a trash JB narrative...

He could be a valuable addition for a contender but the market for Tanev will be narrow. Expectations should be a 2nd + a B-prospect or a low 1st if multiple teams get involved. The Canucks will have to decide if he's worth more as a mentor to the likes of Juolevi, Pouliot, Stecher.

I maintain that they would get more at the trade deadline for Tanev.

Not the right time to trade him. It doesn't have anything to do with a "trash JB narrative". Tanev is coming off a bad season filled with injury. They can't expect a lot with that having just occurred. Let him play and prove his health, then move him.

 

[Wo Yorfat]

I see the bar is being set high for Tanev so there will be fuel for a trash JB narrative...

He could be a valuable addition for a contender but the market for Tanev will be narrow. Expectations should be a 2nd + a B-prospect or a low 1st if multiple teams get involved.

We paid more than your suggested return for gudbranson ..

A 2nd and a B prospect for a top 30 dman in the league on a good contract is an absolute garbage return.

 

[Cogburn]

JB is trash though. That's not a narrative, I thought it was, like, objective.

If we trade a useful Tanev for less then we surrendered for Gudbranson, who he also resigned after a pair of terrible years to a comparable cap hit, there shouldn't be a place for him in this organization.

He is either a puppet for ownership, if it is indeed meddling as some narratives (conspiracy theories?) say, which is trash for us as fans of this team, or he is a remarkably poor judge of talent, which is trash for us as fans of this team.