Roster and Fantasy GM Thread: Pre-Draft Silly Season

[Melvin]

Where did Benning ever say that he would have traded the 1st round pick for Lucic?

What do you think he offered? Horvat?

 

[Black Noise]

Benning trading a 1st for Lucic would have been a mistake in retrospect. Unfortunately when you move picks for players, there is a small but sizeable risk of having it blow up it in your face.

At the time however, the Canucks were a playoff team and had earned the right to push a little more for “the now.”

Being a hometown boy, the risk of Lucic coming here and then letting his friends/family down by darting for another team in the off-season would have been quite low. The Canucks also had more than enough cap space to re-sign Lucic (unlike LA).

Although Lucic had an off year in Boston, I don’t think anyone could have predicted that Lucic would fall that drastically in a few short years.

Furthermore - players selected 23rd overall, or in the bottom 3rd of the draft, typically don’t become superstars. The statistics are not in their favor.

So yes - in retrospect, the Boeser for Lucic deal would have been brutal, but from a statistics standpoint, and where the team was at the time, Benning made the right call.

Not a f***ing chance he made the right call if he had traded for Lucic. Everyone knew the 2014-15 Canucks weren't for real, and losing to Calgary and then Calgary getting destroyed by Anahiem proved that.

Any GM with half a brain would have noticed that their top 9 scorers were all over 26, 5 of their 6 top scorers were over 31, their top 3 scorers were 33 and outside of Horvat that had absolutely zero young guys ready to step up. A child could realize that isn't a team with any shot of being competitive over the next couple seasons.

Anyone that defends Benning potentially trading 23rd overall for 1 f***ing year of Milan Lucic obviously has no clue what the f*** they are talking about.

 

[Canadian Canuck]

Is this seriously what we've come to?

Benning trying to trade his first for a rental of lucic is okay because we can't find posts on hfboards specifically saying that we shouldn't do it because we should select Boeser.

The new defense of any tactic is that none of the fans were prescient enough to completely nail the eventual outcome with absolute certainty.

Lord...

Not what I said at all. I said Nobody knew at the time of the draft Boeser had superstar potential. Or else he would have went top 5. I’m asking you for proof that Boeser would be this good because you said that there were people saying he would be. Prove it.

 

[Melvin]

Not what I said at all. I said Nobody knew at the time of the draft Boeser had superstar potential. Or else he would have went top 5. I’m asking you for proof that Boeser would be this good because you said that there were people saying he would be. Prove it.

So you're saying what I said you said then.

 

[Canadian Canuck]

So you're saying what I said you said then.

Sure

All I’m saying is at the time given our team state, it would have been a stupid move to trade a 1st for an aging forward: HOWEVER, I absolutely hate when people look at the trade in retrospect and make it a Boeser vs Lucic thing. We could have drafted a garbage player and people would be saying we should have traded it for Lucic and flipped him later on. I hate it.

 

[Gaunce4gm]

Chiarelli said that he'd trade the 10th overall for a quality NHL D... apparently he's already talked to a few GMs. Wonder if Benning is one of them? If so, what do we add to Tanev to get #10 overall?

I'd do something along the lines of

Tanev, Sutter, Granlund

For 10th, cap dump?

 

[THE Green Man]

Chiarelli said that he'd trade the 10th overall for a quality NHL D... apparently he's already talked to a few GMs. Wonder if Benning is one of them? If so, what do we add to Tanev to get #10 overall?

I'd do something along the lines of

Tanev, Sutter, Granlund

For 10th, cap dump?

Maybe Tanev and Baertschi- I'd be surprised if they have interest in Sutter at his cap hit.

 

[racerjoe]

Sure

All I’m saying is at the time given our team state, it would have been a stupid move to trade a 1st for an aging forward: HOWEVER, I absolutely hate when people look at the trade in retrospect and make it a Boeser vs Lucic thing. We could have drafted a garbage player and people would be saying we should have traded it for Lucic and flipped him later on. I hate it.

No the outcome of the pick doesn't matter. It could have been Virtanen at the time and it still would have been a bad move. There is no good reason for us to be trading for assets like that. Not then, not now. That is the point. It would have been a devastating move for us.

 

[Fire Benning]

Canucks should be all over this.

 

[THE Green Man]

Canucks should be all over this.

Wonder what draft pick would be involved with that- seems like an Ottawa or Carolina move more than us.

 

[timw33]

Canucks should be all over this.

This is a no brainer and easily the best use of cap space for our club for the next few years.

 

[RandV]

Chicago has no 2nd rounder but two 1sts (CHI, NAS) and two 3rds (CHI, TOR). You get that $5.275M cap hit for 3 years, but it's not a lot of money out of the owners pocket as the salary is only $1M per.

This should be a shoe-in for the Canucks to grab the NAS 1st and CHI 3rd.

 

[rypper]

Seeing the words "shoe-in" and "no brainer" and then remembering our GM is Jim Benning.

 

[Nuckles]

$4.5M in extra cap space for next season. Oh boy, there's going to be some impressive overpayments this summer.

 

[timw33]

$4.5M in extra cap space for next season. Oh boy, there's going to be some impressive overpayments this summer.

Yeah what's funny is that the cap going up only benefits you if you have good young players signed to long term contracts from a few years ago.

It doesn't necessarily mean you have enough room to go out and fit a player in or re-sign your RFA's, it just means the prices of players just inflated with an additional $140MM of money to spend across the league.

Mid tier UFA's, as in past years, are going to get some horrrrrendous contracts.

 

[Cogburn]

5 lowish end RFA contracts to hand out and 26 million in cap space. And that's still counting Dorsetts contract.

Bozak 5x7 million confirmed.

 

[JuniorNelson]

Benning is probably trying to hit a home run to sell tickets. I doubt he weaponizes cap space before exhausting big name opportunities.

 

[Cogburn]

Hossa would be a home run. If he is legitimately unable to play then we're not spending cap space we don't have to. If he retires Chicago gets his with a recapture penalty, not us. If he can play, then what a veteran for some of our kids. Again, if he is injured but wants to have a role, that works too.

And if we get something out of it, super. A second? Our second and a cheap forward or D for their 1st?

 

[member 290103]

Benning is probably trying to hit a home run to sell tickets. I doubt he weaponizes cap space before exhausting big name opportunities.

What he does not realize though is that weaponizing cap space and acquiring draft picks and prospects is exactly what will reinvigorate this fan base.. Spending cap space on the Gagner's, the Del Zottos, the Sutters, has not helped sell tickets.

 

[Chubros]

Chiarelli said that he'd trade the 10th overall for a quality NHL D... apparently he's already talked to a few GMs. Wonder if Benning is one of them? If so, what do we add to Tanev to get #10 overall?

I'd do something along the lines of

Tanev, Sutter, Granlund

For 10th, cap dump?

They should try to trade Edler for the 10th. Time to start getting him used to being asked to waive his NTC.

 

[member 290103]

They should try to trade Edler for the 10th. Time to start getting him used to being asked to waive his NTC.

Linden loves Edler. Edler will be a Canuck as long as he wants to be, so long as Dim and the Egomaniac run the show.

 

[BROCK HUGHES]

Linden loves Edler. Edler will be a Canuck as long as he wants to be, so long as Dim and the Egomaniac run the show.

You can probley put Sutter on that list also...im pretty sure he is penciled in as the next Capt...being he is Jim Bennings foundation peice as per Benning..

 

[member 290103]

You can probley put Sutter on that list also...im pretty sure he is penciled in as the next Capt...being he is Jim Bennings foundation peice as per Benning..

1040 is trying to push Sutter as a trade chip, but Dim won't take the bait.

 

[Peen]

I honestly believe there are teams around the league that view Sutter as an asset. He's the most average third line center you can get and with the cap going up, maybe a team is okay with the contract. Not like it's too long either.

I really think we should move him on. Try our luck in free agency with a guy we can flip at the deadline.

 

[Mr Plow]

This is a no brainer and easily the best use of cap space for our club for the next few years.

It's honestly not a no brainer. Tying up your cap for three seasons to hopefully get a second round pick lacks adequate foresight. If it was one year that would be different.