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man, I wish my job allowed me to "learn on the job" (i.e. **** up repeatedly) for about ~6 years before finally getting it rightAlso Galchenyuk for Domi for Anderson, Armia for free, Petry for a 2nd, Allen to form a premier goaltending tandem
He's not perfect but overall he's a premier trading GM in a very hard to operate in market and Habs fans give him far too much crap. Pearls before swine.
man, I wish my job allowed me to "learn on the job" (i.e. **** up repeatedly) for about ~6 years before finally getting it right
I'm not sure what you're saying here. Yes, all GMs make mistakes, but Bergevin made so many high profile mistakes in his first 6 years.Yeah being a GM without the gift of hindsight is super cut and dry, you'd never see a real GM like Poile do something like trade Fiala for Granlund.
I'd say I was "meh" on that one, and rightfully so, it turned out to be a nothing move that didn't really improve the team one way or another.Let me guess not a Galchenyuk for Domi fan at the time it happened
T-34 sounds like a Star Wars weapon. Maybe Romanov should stop focusing on childish movies and more on hockey and he would be a better player
I'm not sure what you're saying here. Yes, all GMs make mistakes, but Bergevin made so many high profile mistakes in his first 6 years.
I'd say I was "meh" on that one, and rightfully so, it turned out to be a nothing move that didn't really improve the team one way or another.
More moves I wasn't a fan of:
- (2016) Weber for Subban (still maintain we lost that one, you'll probably disagree)
- (2017) Karl Alzner signed to 5-year 23M contract, bought out 1 year later
- (2017) Sergachev traded for Drouin, horrible trade
- (2018) Carey Price signed to 8-year contract at 10.5M per year until 2026
- (2017) not resigning Alex Radulov for absolutely no reason
- (2017) not resigning Andrei Markov for absolutely no reason
- (2011) Galchenyuk, (2012) McCarron, (2013) Scherbak, (2014) Juulsen all first round busts under his tenure
So yeah he had some notable exceptions (Jeff Petry, Phil Danault) but for the most part he was a terrible GM for his first 6 years or so. Glad he's finally built a winning team but let's not pretend like he's some kind of GM mastermind. He was simply given a very long leash and he finally got it right in 2021.
I'm not saying he built a bad team, I'm saying it took him 8 years of failure to do it. Not to mention he inherited a primo situation when he got the job (prime Price, prime Subban, prime Pacioretty, Markov, emerging youngsters Gallagher and Galchenyuk). So let's just hold off on the praise. He's an average GM who finally got lucky.If that's your idea of a bad GM I'd love to see what a good GM looks like in your eyes
If you were rightfully meh on Domi I'm sure you wouldn't object to the Josh Anderson he was used to get going to Ottawa for Galchenyuk. Would vindicate your rightful meh
Weber for Subban - if you don't see this as a win there's no hope for you, I guess Bergevin could offer Weber to New Jersey for Subban and correct that mistake
Alzner - you mean Kyle Turris? Jack Johnson? Or David Backes? Or Alex Steen? Or Ryane Clowe? Or every single GM's one albatross signing they make?
Sergachev for Drouin - don't actually know how good Sergachev is without Herdman, McDonaugh and the rest of Tampa holding his hand. Drouin had bad injury luck but he's still a top 6 player with untapped potential
Price - overpaid but if you look at good GMs most overpay the faces of their franchise. Toews or Doughty ring a bell
Radulov - the same Radulov he got for free the prior year? The Radulov who if he broke down in his mid 30s after a year in the league you'd chalk up to a terrible signing no doubt
Markov hasn't done anything since leaving
His drafting sucked but he still ended up with Primeau, Romanov, Lehkonen, Mete, JK
Tldr you hold him to NHL 21 be a GM mode standards you don't hold other GMs too
I'm not sure what you're saying here. Yes, all GMs make mistakes, but Bergevin made so many high profile mistakes in his first 6 years.
I'd say I was "meh" on that one, and rightfully so, it turned out to be a nothing move that didn't really improve the team one way or another.
More moves I wasn't a fan of:
- (2016) Weber for Subban (still maintain we lost that one, you'll probably disagree)
- (2017) Karl Alzner signed to 5-year 23M contract, bought out 1 year later
- (2017) Sergachev traded for Drouin, horrible trade
- (2018) Carey Price signed to 8-year contract at 10.5M per year until 2026
- (2017) not resigning Alex Radulov for absolutely no reason
- (2017) not resigning Andrei Markov for absolutely no reason
- (2011) Galchenyuk, (2012) McCarron, (2013) Scherbak, (2014) Juulsen all first round busts under his tenure
So yeah he had some notable exceptions (Jeff Petry, Phil Danault) but for the most part he was a terrible GM for his first 6 years or so. Glad he's finally built a winning team but let's not pretend like he's some kind of GM mastermind. He was simply given a very long leash and he finally got it right in 2021.
Bolded all occurred in the last two years of his ten year tenure.This can go both ways you know
- Getting Petry for a 2nd and 4th round picks
- Resigning Petry 2 times
- Weber > Subban
- Weise + Fleischmann for Danault + 2nd (Romanov)
- Galchenyuk for Domi
- Getting Armia for a cap dump
- Tatar + Suzuki + 2nd for Pacioretty
- Signing Toffoli at 4.5 aav
- Drafting Caufield, Romanov, Kotkaniemi, Norlinder ...
Not sure if I’m remembering correctly but I think there was negative sentiment around the pick, or maybe that was just me
playing against evgeni in the khl romanov should have been prepared for this.That was Evgeni Sutter. He walks every dman in the league.
T-34 sounds like a Star Wars weapon. Maybe Romanov should stop focusing on childish movies and more on hockey and he would be a better player