Robin Lehner Appreciation Thread

[BK]

Outside of Mike Johnson, I struggle to think of a great hockey evaluator that #playedthegame

Hockey fans are the only people in the world who think our precious little niche pastime is so nuanced and complex that you cant possibly evaluate or critique it without years of experience performing it. Hockey isn't medicine or quantum physics, on the scale of complexity for concepts, its pretty far down the list.

Can you imagine if you had to have served as a Senator to have your educated position on politics and policies be considered legitimate?

You realize played the game does not mean NHL or even professional experience. Clearly you don’t. You don’t have to play professionally but you need to know the game and you can’t learn the little things not playing.

Do you actually think that you can sit down and watch a player then evaluate them after not playing and do it better that someone who played? You are dreaming.

 

[ColdSteel2]

Bowman played...

He knew the game before he joined an NHL.

What counts and what doesn’t? Everyone here has probably played street hockey. Your claim that playing puts someone in the 99% percentile of evaluators is ridiculous. There are a lot brilliant hockey minds that didn’t play the game at a high level. Being a player gives someone a different perspective but not a superior one by default.

 

[BK]

What counts and what doesn’t? Everyone here has probably played street hockey. Your claim that playing puts someone in 99% percentile of evaluators is ridiculous. There are a lot brilliant hockey minds that didn’t play the game at a high level. Being a player gives someone a different perspective but not a superior one by default.

Street hockey is not hockey.

My claim doesn’t do that at all. There is no definitive line but you weed through that via interviews and past performance.

Sorry to burst your bubble but people who played at a higher level tend to know more about the game than people who didn’t. This is no different than most things.

 

[b1e9a8r5s]

Just my two cents... I think having played the game at a competitive level (Jr/College etc.) is beneficial as there are surely things that you learn and appreciate having playing that I or anyone else wouldn't know or appreciate having never played.

However, I don't think you need to have played in the NHL to be a good GM/Coach. I'd even go so far to say it's almost detrimental if you are great at a sport (all sports) as it's harder to relate to the average player who didn't have your abilities. I struggle to think of really great (HOF level) players who've gone on to be successful coaches in any sport, although I'm sure there probably are some. Usually those guys are pretty bad.

 

[crazyhawk]

Street hockey is not hockey.

My claim doesn’t do that at all. There is no definitive line but you weed through that via interviews and past performance.

Sorry to burst your bubble but people who played at a higher level tend to know more about the game than people who didn’t. This is no different than most things.

I must respectfully disagree.
Street hockey is still hockey. It's not professional ice hockey but it is hockey.
What else would you call it ? Flaberwocky?

 

[ColdSteel2]

Street hockey is not hockey.

My claim doesn’t do that at all. There is no definitive line but you weed through that via interviews and past performance.

Sorry to burst your bubble but people who played at a higher level tend to know more about the game than people who didn’t. This is no different than most things.

We’re talking about evaluating here. Playing the game at a high level is probably a significant advantage in coaching it, no argument there. But evaluating players and teams is about evaluating people just as much as it is about hockey. That comes from experience in doing it, just like experience playing makes someone a better player.

 

[BK]

We’re talking about evaluating here. Playing the game at a high level is probably a significant advantage in coaching it, no argument there. But evaluating players and teams is about evaluating people just as much as it is about hockey. That comes from experience in doing it, just like experience playing makes someone a better player.

Bold: This is not really true. Evaluating talent is different that evaluating the person. Being a good person and hard worker only gets you so far. You have to have talent.

 

[ColdSteel2]

Bold: This is not really true. Evaluating talent is different that evaluating the person. Being a good person and hard worker only gets you so far. You have to have talent.

Evaluating is a talent. That’s the point.

 

[BK]

Evaluating is a talent. That’s the point.

You have to know what you are looking at. If Scout A is a great baseball evaluator it does not mean that he will be a great hockey or soccer evaluator.

There is some crossover but 99% of the time you need to have a background in the sport.

 

[ColdSteel2]

You have to know what you are looking at. If Scout A is a great baseball evaluator it does not mean that he will be a great hockey or soccer evaluator.

There is some crossover but 99% of the time you need to have a background in the sport.

All I’m getting at is that it is very possible that someone with little playing experience could be an excellent evaluator. It’s what sites like this are all about. There are many posters here who never talk about their playing experience that are extremely knowledgeable about the game and have track records to prove it. It’s why I log in everyday, to appreciate and understand the perspectives of other people, whether they played or not.

 

[BK]

All I’m getting at is that it is very possible that someone with little playing experience could be an excellent evaluator. It’s what sites like this are all about. There are many posters here who never talk about their playing experience that are extremely knowledgeable about the game and have track records to prove it. It’s why I log in everyday, to appreciate and understand the perspectives of other people, whether they played or not.

Possible? Sure. Likely? No.

 

[CallMeShaft]

 

[Kevin Musto]

 

[CallMeShaft]

 

[clydesdale line]

Lehner really likes those black alternate unis. Changed his profile pic and everything.

 

[benedictTavares]

Sign him to a multi-year contract already!

 

[CallMeShaft]

 

[EK47]

FYI Lehner just won guldpucken, the price awarded to the best swedish hockeyplayer for the past season.

 

[LDF]

FYI Lehner just won guldpucken, the price awarded to the best swedish hockeyplayer for the past season.

most excellent..... he deserves it.

 

[EK47]

most excellent..... he deserves it.

Agreed, it was either him or possibly Hedman.

 

[CallMeShaft]

 

[CallMeShaft]

 

[G0AT]

Man he has quickly became my favorite player on the Hawks. Kane nailed it. They'd be bottom dwelling right now without him.

 

[Chimpradamus]

Allowed 3 goals last night, still had an excellent game. Alot of highlight reel saves. Just another night for the kung fu panda.

 

[Rick C137]