Friedman: Ristolainen turned down extension in Philly.... Moved at Deadline?

[Accelleratii]

After turning down a nice extension to play for this dump of a franchise, the sensible thing would be to trade him at the deadline. So expect the Flyers to retain and try to sign him until he hits FA. They'll lose him for absolutely nothing then miraculously sign a worse player for a similar salary. It'll be hilarious!

 

[Habs Halifax]

Maybe conditional 1st, I feel like it's hard to demand one flat out right now for him, especially with the market having guys like Gio, Lindholm, Klingberg, Chiarot, Manson, Chychrun, Leddy, etc on it

I think we need to separate those guys cause it depends on what you are missing and what you got. Teams are not just after a top 4D of any type.

* Lindhom is the best all around guy (if he is on the market). Ducks are in a playoff race (2 points out).
* Klingberg is the best offensive type (if he is on the market). Stars are in the same spot as the Ducks.
* Chychrun's asking price is very, very, very high. Not a pending UFA and if you trade for him, The Coyotes are likely asking for both futures and a NHL young body that gets taken off you roster where you might need him.

Leddy should not be compared to Giordano, Chiarot, and Manson. Leddy won't be the type teams go after if they are after muscle. For all we know, it might be a fight between 4 guys in the physical department. Giordano, Chiarot, and Manson. Add Braun to that list.

Some fans are pretending it will be a buyers market vs a sellers market but we really don't know that yet. Not saying you are wrong but we just don't know those details yet.

 

[Clint Eastwood]

Are us common folks missing something with Risto? He seems to be hot trash and he keeps getting offered these fat deals.

 

[DarthProbert]

Will poor Ristolainen ever find a team that will let him be a second pair, PP specialist D, with a defensively responsible partner, instead of BIG! Shutdown D! Seriously, when you see a team pay assets for Ristolainen, and then give Yandle PP duty, you know that intelligence is not required to be an NHL GM.

 

[Colezuki]

Are us common folks missing something with Risto? He seems to be hot trash and he keeps getting offered these fat deals.

Teams keep hoping he puts it all together

 

[Djp]

I think we need to separate those guys cause it depends on what you are missing and what you got. Teams are not just after a top 4D of any type.

* Lindhom is the best all around guy (if he is on the market). Ducks are in a playoff race (2 points out).
* Klingberg is the best offensive type (if he is on the market). Stars are in the same spot as the Ducks.
* Chychrun's asking price is very, very, very high. Not a pending UFA and if you trade for him, The Coyotes are likely asking for both futures and a NHL young body that gets taken off you roster where you might need him.

Leddy should not be compared to Giordano, Chiarot, and Manson. Leddy won't be the type teams go after if they are after muscle. For all we know, it might be a fight between 4 guys in the physical department. Giordano, Chiarot, and Manson. Add Braun to that list.

Some fans are pretending it will be a buyers market vs a sellers market but we really don't know that yet. Not saying you are wrong but we just don't know those details yet.

The issue also is RD v LD.

Anaheim is in the hunt, do they blow it up to trade both UFA Dmen. They are in a difficult situation. They might need to do both. Trade Manson then go and acquire a different RZd to replace him.

Dallas is in the same boat of trading aUFA or not.



Chychrun is not a deadline trade. They can get better return at drsft.

 

[The Gr8 Dane]

He's garbage

 

[BrindamoursNose]

What has he done to warrant a first? I watched tonight. It is so sad he is turning into a nothing D man. I would not even offer Samorukov for risto.

What did Risto do to earn a 1st+ this offseason?

My answer is: GMs just love what he brings physically + his age. GMs can't help themselves when they see a guy like Risto, especially come playoff time, and will pay a lot for it.

I'd be surprised. How many playoff teams need a RD, with his "qualities", and have the cap space for him, at even 50%?

It could be only 2 teams and I'm convinced he'll return a 1st. He doesn't make a ton of money or anything.

 

[Stubu]

Very few defensemen have a signature move like his.

Rotating in place in the D-zone like a merry-go-round, mouth gaping, brain completely overwhelmed by the hockey unfolding around him.

NHL should include it in the game highlights, it's that impressive.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

I think we need to separate those guys cause it depends on what you are missing and what you got. Teams are not just after a top 4D of any type.

* Lindhom is the best all around guy (if he is on the market). Ducks are in a playoff race (2 points out).
* Klingberg is the best offensive type (if he is on the market). Stars are in the same spot as the Ducks.
* Chychrun's asking price is very, very, very high. Not a pending UFA and if you trade for him, The Coyotes are likely asking for both futures and a NHL young body that gets taken off you roster where you might need him.

Leddy should not be compared to Giordano, Chiarot, and Manson. Leddy won't be the type teams go after if they are after muscle. For all we know, it might be a fight between 4 guys in the physical department. Giordano, Chiarot, and Manson. Add Braun to that list.

Some fans are pretending it will be a buyers market vs a sellers market but we really don't know that yet. Not saying you are wrong but we just don't know those details yet.

I think you are greatly missing the point I was making of the market being flooded with defenseman this year

 

[Habs Halifax]

The issue also is RD v LD.

Anaheim is in the hunt, do they blow it up to trade both UFA Dmen. They are in a difficult situation. They might need to do both. Trade Manson then go and acquire a different RZd to replace him.

Dallas is in the same boat of trading aUFA or not.



Chychrun is not a deadline trade. They can get better return at drsft.

Good points to add for sure. Some posters want it to be a buyers market so they can devalue the returns but we really don't know how that plays out. Same BS as saying this draft year was a "deep draft" a few years ago.

 

[Dooble08]

One of the worst defenders in the league. Him not extending is best case for Philly

At least we have something to celebrate this year.

 

[BrindamoursNose]

I think you are greatly missing the point I was making of the market being flooded with defenseman this year

I think you missed *his* point that some of those defensemen you listed may not actually be on the market, since they're in playoff contention themselves.

Also, that not all D-men are created equal. Risto brings something much different than Klingberg, for example. A GM will be gaga over Risto's size, snarl, and occasional stats.

 

[Habs Halifax]

I think you are greatly missing the point I was making of the market being flooded with defenseman this year

I'm not missing the point. I added deeper context. I think you are missing the context of some of those names may or may not be traded. Sounds like you want it to be flooded with defensemen where you will not consider any other possible alternative.

Have a nice day. I don't have time for your "you missed the point" narrative when you clearly missed the deeper context I provided. I bet you now think that I think it's for sure a sellers market when that's not really what I said. .

 

[C0DITH]

About the only lucky thing to happy to the Flyers all year, is him turning down a contract he without a doubt, never deserved in the first place.

 

[ottawa]

6.4 × 3 would of been absolutely dreadful for the Flyers.

Reading is hard

 

[kerrabria]

Haven't read through the thread yet, but if he's looking to play in the playoffs, then there are only a few teams that have playoff hopes next year, have cap space, and will be in the market for a RHD.

Colorado, Dallas, Calgary, Los Angeles, and Minnesota (if they trade Fiala as many seem to believe they will). Coincidentally, those are all western teams whose orgs don't have the same exposure to Ristolainen's stupidity. Gonna laugh pretty hard if the Wild are planning to eat $12m+ in dead cap and trade Fiala only to hand $5m+ to Rasmus friggin Ristolainen.

 

[A1LeafNation]

Haven't read through the thread yet, but if he's looking to play in the playoffs, then there are only a few teams that have playoff hopes next year, have cap space, and will be in the market for a RHD.

Colorado, Dallas, Calgary, Los Angeles, and Minnesota (if they trade Fiala as many seem to believe they will). Coincidentally, those are all western teams whose orgs don't have the same exposure to Ristolainen's stupidity. Gonna laugh pretty hard if the Wild are planning to eat $12m+ in dead cap and trade Fiala only to hand $5m+ to Rasmus friggin Ristolainen.

He's played on shitty Buffalo and Flyers teams. Maybe he takes a 1 year paycut on a playoff team and cashes in after that.

Can't put things out of his control on him at this point. Maybe he goes to a playoff team and flops too.

This is a wait and see thing, I can't say it's one way or another right now.

 

[Ledge And Dairy]

I think you missed *his* point that some of those defensemen you listed may not actually be on the market, since they're in playoff contention themselves.

Also, that not all D-men are created equal. Risto brings something much different than Klingberg, for example. A GM will be gaga over Risto's size, snarl, and occasional stats.

Lindholm is reported to want to test free agency and Anaheim has been in a bit of a nose-dive recently. They may be 2 points out but the other teams have 2-4 games in hand as well.

Klingberg contract negotiations went ice cold a while ago, they will very likely sell him if its a decent offer.

 

[BFLO]

I think Risto is correct that he'd benefit from playoff style referring.

But what he'd really benefit from is an o-zone heavy deployment while being the 4th/5th guy on a playoff teams defensive depth chart. He'd excel in that kind of roll.

Put him out there for important defensive zone starts and lots of ice time? You're gonna be really disappointed.

 

[hyd3nSeek]

He's played on shitty Buffalo and Flyers teams. Maybe he takes a 1 year paycut on a playoff team and cashes in after that.

I think paycut will be the way he gets to play in a contender. Schenn, Bogosian and Shattenkirk all got around 1m AAV deals to play in Tampa Bay. It worked for those guys pretty well. I think situations are somewhat similar where the player needs to prove that they still belong to this league.

 

[Just a Fan]

I can't imagine ant team spending a 1st on Risto....i mean i could happen, but it would be a mistake.

 

[VaporTrail]

I'm guessing Risto will be wanted for his cellies....He's a veteran who can show youngsters the proper celebration moves and techniques

 

[BrindamoursNose]

I can't imagine ant team spending a 1st on Risto....i mean i could happen, but it would be a mistake.

Reports showed multiple teams offered 1sts for Risto this offseason.

It’s going to happen.

 

[Djp]

Good points to add for sure. Some posters want it to be a buyers market so they can devalue the returns but we really don't know how that plays out. Same BS as saying this draft year was a "deep draft" a few years ago.

As of right now I see more buyers than sellers and then a few on the bubble.

trading a players who will be a UFA doesn’t make you a seller.

as for the draft, people conflate deep draft with strong top 5-10. Once you get past the top 20, it’s really a crap shoot on getting a decent players who what I call above replacement level. A team might have a player who is a 15 g and mid 30 pts player as value, but you bring a prospect and put them in the same role they could do that too.