In terms of offensive production linemates do matter. But rest of the team, not really (This is why say Kovalchuk, Heatley/Hossa, Savard were producing at elite level on terrible Atlanta teams while not seeing significant increases once the moved to other teams). If McDavid was exclusively paired with Draisaitl and RNH for whole season then it wouldn't matter much what the rest of the team is (in terms of points production).
Relax, McDavid is better than Kucherov
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In terms of offensive production linemates do matter. But rest of the team, not really (This is why say Kovalchuk, Heatley/Hossa, Savard were producing at elite level on terrible Atlanta teams while not seeing significant increases once the moved to other teams). If McDavid was exclusively paired with Draisaitl and RNH for whole season then it wouldn't matter much what the rest of the team is (in terms of points production).
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Sure, that's certainly reasonable. That still won't dissuade me from believing Kucherov is more effective on the PP than McDavid. Kucherov has a better shot, while McDavid is better at zone entries.
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Whoa. Alright. Olli Jokinen had 89 and 91 points seasons on the Florida Panthers, but somehow Kucherov wouldn't even hit 70 points on this years Edmonton Oilers, playing with say Leon Draisaitl? Yeah, that makes so much sense....
Kucherov had 65 points as a 21 year old playing on the Triplet Line with otherworldly beast slayers Johnson & Palat. But as a seasoned 25 year old on a line with Draisaitl and all the juicy ice time in the world he wouldn't hit 70 points?
You should be a sports analyst or something. Building threads on these types of hypotheticals.
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I think we can give credit to both. No one should deny Kucherov is having by far the best season and should win the Hart.
perhaps this thread could be merged back into the other one?
There really is no need for this one.
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Not sure how Vasy affects Kucherov's point totals.
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Not even saying kuch is better, but I feel like when the talent gap at the top is so small, the top guy in the world is going to fluctuate. More often than not, it is mcdavid. But, other guys can go on streaks where they are better. It’s similar to how Crosby is “generational” yet has only been the clear cut best player in the world for a handful of years.
What kind of bizarre math are you doing?
Kuch would be 177 points adjusting for 1981-82.
This guy thinks Kucherov is having a season 50 points better than the greatest season in NHL history.
Kucherov needs to top Mcdavid multiple seasons in a row before I'm ready to crown him king. It's the same deal as with Mcdavid with Crosby. Mcdavid proved over a period of years that he is now better than Crosby. One monster season by Kuch doesn't make him the best when Mcdavid has won two scoring titles in a row which no player since Jagr has done.
Now if it happens next year again, then we can talk.
Now if it happens next year again, then we can talk.
McDavid is no doubt better as an individual player. I don't think anyone in their right mind would claim that. McD on the Bolts would be an absolute monster. If you traded them for each other straight up, Kuch would still be a damn good player but imagine him with Drias as his Center and Chiasson or Reider has his other winger. No way he's putting up the same totals. McDavid on the other hand would have some combo of Palat, Johnson, Gourde, maybe even Stammer as his wingers. Or shit maybe McDavid shifts to Stammers wing. Either way he would light it the f*** up.
Goalie point shares are a thing for sure. Stopping the puck from going into your net means you have a better shot at putting it into your opponents.
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He plays into the whole system.
If you have an amazing goalie, you don't have to worry about being as sharp defensively. You also are probably not playing from behind most games like the Oilers are.
Vasy isn't feeding Kucherov one times but he certainly changes the way the entire team can play.
Imagine the Oilers didn't have to fully fall back every time the puck is in their zone because:
A) they have quality goaltending
B) a dcore that can move the puck
That would absolutely play into McDavids numbers.
Don't get me wrong, I am sure the opposing d gets a little tired from passing the puck around in the Oilers zone but they might get a little more tired if they were on the back foot for a while.
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Well especially assists, the Oilers really only have Draisaitl and RNH that can consistently score goals, would be impossible to rack up those kind of assist numbers on a team that is near the bottom offensively and only has a couple of players that can consistently score. Not even Gretzky could do that on this years version of the Oilers.
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Gretz could get a pylon 30 goals. But also a different time. 30 goals wasn't seen as being as good of a marker as it is today. McDavid on a team like Tampa would be a force of nature. Not just because of the forward core surrounding him but having that defensive core to get him the puck would be a massive edge over what he has now. Kucherov is a damn good player but I seriously doubt he'd had the same effect on the Oilers that McDavid does and that is really still not enough for them to be a good team.
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That's because Crosby is still a better player than McDavid.
Since when is McDavid worrying about defense? Watch the goals he was on the ice vs the Penguins.
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GoJetsGo55
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So watch one game to completely change my opinion that having a bad goalie effects how many points a person can score?
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When Vasy got injured, we just scored more goals to win those games. Domingue is 18-4 this season and just broke the franchise record for most consecutive wins.
But yeah, I get what you mean. When Vasy first came into this league, the team played like shit in front of him because they were used to Bishop controlling the game. Bishop was like a 3rd defenseman back there with his puckhandling.
Pretty much. Kucherov and McDavid are battling for 2nd place, who cares.
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GoJetsGo55
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I feel like we are getting to strung up on the goalie aspect when my original point was goal tending and d-core.
I mean, if you are forced to play from behind in every game, the dynamic completely changes.
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I laughed more than I should have at this.
Just picturing Gordon Bombay yelling that.
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Not to derail the thread... but they should remake the mighty duck movies...
Instead of Gordon Bombay as the coach Charlie Sheen can be the coach.
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Why did you only read one part of my reply to you? And a bad goalie have a minuscule effect on how many points you score. Just look at Patrick Kane. A goalie has almost zero relevance to how many points you score.
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