Relax, McDavid is better than Kucherov

[Riddum]

Kucherov is racking up points of a team that would still be one of the top 3 without him.

McDavid is playing for a terribly built team that would have a hard time beating a low end AHL team without him.

I see people claiming Kucherov is the best player in the world. Lol, really? He's scoring at an incredible pace but McDavid's toolbox is simply far superior. Kucherov wouldn't scoring 70 pts this year on that terrible Oilers team.

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[izzy]

high end players typically will score similar points no matter what the team around them is doing

 

[LT]

This seems defensive and unnecessary.

I haven’t seen anyone claim Kucherov is a better player. Having a better season? Absolutely, there’s an argument, but not a better player.

Why can’t everyone just appreciate what both players are doing?

 

[Avsboy]

Good ol' Canadian boy

 

[Lukin1978]

Why start this thread

 

[illpucks]

This seems defensive and unnecessary.

I haven’t seen anyone claim Kucherov is a better player. Having a better season? Absolutely, there’s an argument, but not a better player.

Why can’t everyone just appreciate what both players are doing?

It's not just better season. There's a good argument for Kucherov being the better player. McDavid had 108 and Kucherov had 100 and Kucherov was leading Art Ross for most of season. If Kucherov won AR last season there would be no debate and Kucherov would be the better player hands down. It's only because McDavid went on a crazy run in the last 10 games last season.

 

[Bertuzzzi44]

Not many are saying Kucherov is the best player in the world, the consensus is McDavid. Kucherov and the lightning are having an amazing year.

 

[Hint1k]

Kucherov wouldn't scoring 70 pts this year on that terrible Oilers team.

Tell this to Crosby.
Crosby with bad linemates (aka Pens wingers) - 1.29 points per game
Crosby with good linemates (aka team Canada) - 1.27 points per game

 

[Riddum]

This seems defensive and unnecessary.

I haven’t seen anyone claim Kucherov is a better player. Having a better season? Absolutely, there’s an argument, but not a better player.

Why can’t everyone just appreciate what both players are doing?

In the Kucherov thread, many people claim is the best in the world. That's simply not true in my opinion

 

[chokei]

Sometimes it's better to just go to sleep instead of creating new threads.

Kucherov and McDavid are in the years of their offensive prime. Who tells you Kucherov won't be able to stay more productive than McDavid during their primes? He's proving this season that he can outplay McDavid.

How do you measure how good a player is if not with the official standards that the league has defined, the trophies and votes? The Ted Lindsay vote at the end of this season will give you a better answer.

 

[Oan]

In the Kucherov thread, many people claim is the best in the world. That's simply not true in my opinion

Maybe your opinion is not correct?

 

[Machinehead]

"Best player" is a fluid concept.

Crosby was the undisputed best player for a generation and how many times was he actually the player of the year in a given year? Like, twice?

 

[Star Ocean]

Good ol' Canadian boy

Mcdavid should get hart trophy he is most valueable to his team

 

[Ryan Michaels]

I really don't think McDavid is hindered offensively by playing on Edmonton, plays with LD, gets the most ice time in the league for forwards and is out there for about every second of powerplay time. There are pros and cons for good and bad teams from a personal statistic standpoint that are always overlooked, not to me mention that the Oilers are almost always losing so McDavid is going to be put out and asked to generate offense every waking moment of any given game which is quite different than kuchs situation.

McDavid is the best player in the league and I get that Edmonton fans are depressed(and the art ross is their cup) but don't try to knock Kuch down to look tall, he's been better this season.

 

[Joey Moss]

McDavid with the supporting cast in Tampa would be scary.

 

[Not So Mighty]

In the Kucherov thread, many people claim is the best in the world. That's simply not true in my opinion

So why not say so in that thread and keep it there? There's no need for an A.P.B on this subject.

 

[OVO16]

Save McDavid

 

[MadLuke]

high end players typically will score similar points no matter what the team around them is doing

Gretzky/Lemieux level maybe, but even Lemieux scoring dropped like a rock when they traded every asset during one of is last season.

It must have a significant effect specially power play wise.

The 3 players with the most power play points in the league play for Tampa, just one of them, Kucherov, is in the top 10 in even strength point at #2, I doubt that is a coincidence.

 

[Trocity]

Kucherov wouldn't scoring 70 pts this year on that terrible Oilers team.

lol

 

[Ryan Michaels]

So why not say so in that thread and keep it there? There's no need for an A.P.B on this subject.

One of the most common hfboards delusions is that your response to a topic requires a new thread.

 

[KoozNetsOff 92]

McDavid is still the best player in the league. He was better than Kucherov the last 2 seasons. But Kucherov has been the best this season. If he beats McDavid again next season then he takes over #1.

 

[illpucks]

McDavid is still the best player in the league. He was better than Kucherov the last 2 seasons. But Kucherov has been the best this season. If he beats McDavid again next season then he takes over #1.

McDavid wasn't better than Kucherov for most of last season. Only last 10-15 games. Kucherov was better for 60 games.

 

[ulvvf]

Kucherov is racking up points of a team that would still be one of the top 3 without him.

McDavid is playing for a terribly built team that would have a hard time beating a low end AHL team without him.

I see people claiming Kucherov is the best player in the world. Lol, really? He's scoring at an incredible pace but McDavid's toolbox is simply far superior. Kucherov wouldn't scoring 70 pts this year on that terrible Oilers team.

Actually i see very little that supports that claim. When you are the big star it is very often easier to put up points, since more of the play will go through you. Overall I do not think it matters for the star players that much. Some medicore players can benifit from playing with star players that is it, but Kucherov is hardly a medicore player.

Plus McDavid often plays with Drasital, so that argument just feels weird either way.

Plus what happen to the argument of team success, McDavid has not made edmonton to a better team. Now instead team success is used against Kucherov, just because it do not fit the agenda, and edmontons team is not that bad on paper. It lack some good more natural wingers.

I like Kucherov more, if for no other reason, that he has had to earn his respect in NHL, while McDavid was giving it before he even played a single game in NHL, he was even then seen as one of the best in the game. Remember that he was on tsn top 50 list before he had played a single game. But overall is even between them 2 right now.

 

[binop7]

"Best player" is a fluid concept.

Crosby was the undisputed best player for a generation and how many times was he actually the player of the year in a given year? Like, twice?

Way more than twice

 

[Machinehead]

Way more than twice

He has two Harts and probably wins another one if not for the concussions in 2011 and 2012. What other years was he definitely the best player in the league?