Relax, McDavid is better than Kucherov

[LordZapp]

What world did I wake up into this morning? People are actually arguing the level of talent surrounding Kucherov has little to no effect on his production?

He's a top 5 player in the league who's having a career year on one of the most offensively stacked teams in recent memory, but he's not better than McDavid.

Keep telling yourself that.

 

[illpucks]

No. McDavid carries the Oilers

Kucherov has great support

McDavid is the best player in the world and he continues to prove it as he wins art Ross trophies on a weaker team

Kucherov - 99 pts
Point - 78 pts
Difference 21 pts

McDavid - 83 pts
Draisaitl - 69 pts
Difference - 14 pts

 

[Peggy]

Kucherov - 99 pts
Point - 78 pts
Difference 21 pts

McDavid - 83 pts
Draisaitl - 69 pts
Difference - 14 pts

Ignores the rest of team as support

Ignores drai doesnt play full time McDavid

 

[Kshahdoo]

No. McDavid carries the Oilers

Kucherov has great support

McDavid is the best player in the world and he continues to prove it as he wins art Ross trophies on a weaker team

Kucherov is the better player, which is obvious this season. I have some statistics to support my words, and guys like you have speculations only.

 

[Peggy]

Kucherov is the better player, which is obvious this season. I have some statistics to support my words, and guys like you have speculations only.

No, I just watch McDavid skate around everyone while playing on one if the worst teams

 

[Kshahdoo]

Ignores the rest of team as support

Ignores drai doesnt play full time McDavid

Ignores McDavid's TOI is 3 min more. I mean, 3 min, 15% more ice time, than Kucherov, and 16 points less.

 

[CupsOverCash]

Why dont we just throw Kucherov on a bad team and see how he does? Then we can figure this out for sure.... I'm sure the league will let us do it for experimental reasons.

 

[Kshahdoo]

No, I just watch McDavid skate around everyone while playing on one if the worst teams

So he should be a speed skater then, because you have to score goals and make assists in hockey...

 

[Butch 19]

In the Kucherov thread, many people claim is the best in the world. That's simply not true in my opinion

Are you saying that different people have different opinions? Tell me more!

.... is this actually the storm surge thread?

 

[the paisanos guy]

Why dont we just throw Kucherov on a bad team and see how he does? Then we can figure this out for sure.... I'm sure the league will let us do it for experimental reasons.

Better yet, why not trade away Point and Gourde for nothing to save the owner some money, since you can apparently stick 4th line plugs with Kucherov and he will still produce the exact same.

 

[Kshahdoo]

Why dont we just throw Kucherov on a bad team and see how he does? Then we can figure this out for sure.... I'm sure the league will let us do it for experimental reasons.

Kucherov was on a bad team just 2 years ago, and scored 8 more goals in 8 less games and had pretty close PPG to McDavid's. And Kucherov has improved his game substantially since that.

 

[Peggy]

Ignores McDavid's TOI is 3 min more. I mean, 3 min, 15% more ice time, than Kucherov, and 16 points less.

So kucherov stays fresh while teams also focus on Tampa bays also good 2nd line

These arguments are weak and I not explaining the difference between playing for the best team in league vs one of the worst

I doubt kucherov has a season like this on Edmonton

 

[CupsOverCash]

When you watch Kucherov he is in control of the game. It would be one thing if he was getting feeds from his center and taking advantage of something like that but he is the mastermind behind the offensive juggernaut that is TB right now. He is the best player in the world right now.

 

[King In The North]

This year nobody touches Kucherov.

 

[K Fleur]

Think this this debate has ended after that incredibly solid and totally non-speculative argument by the Op.

 

[42]

Give Oilers fans something. If they don't have McDavid is the best player in the world to hold on to, what do they have?

 

[GoJetsGo55]

Kucherov - 99 pts
Point - 78 pts
Difference 21 pts

McDavid - 83 pts
Draisaitl - 69 pts
Difference - 14 pts

Are we just ignoring the best D-Core in the league along with a top 3 goalie?

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

high end players typically will score similar points no matter what the team around them is doing

I have trouble believing that. Elite players will put up points regardless, yes.

You don't think McDavid could have a lot more points on even an average roster?

I like Kucherov a lot and was a big fan of his even at the draft when few knew how good he would be.

That said... really? No.. McDavid is the better individual player. He is the best in the world talent wise. It took me until this season to admit it over Crosby even. McDavid's top defenseman is who again? His goalie?

The entire team relies on McDavid. Even Draisaitl and RNH to an extent.

 

[Gobben]

It's just not just bad linemates. It's terrible rest of the team as well.

When you have teammates that can help you attack in waves, it makes it easier for you. Once McDavid is off the ice, they're less than ordinary. That's why McDavid is leading all forwards in TOI with 22:56 mins a game. They have no choice but to drain him.

One should also not forget that McDavid missed a game, and has two in hand. He could have gone on a tear in that game, and might in the other two. Don't think it will be 16 points then. He skate fast

 

[Peggy]

So he should be a speed skater then, because you have to score goals and make assists in hockey...

What a silly rebuttle. McDavid has won the art ross back to back
Scored 41 goals last year and has scored at least 30 goals in his last 3 seasons

Not sure if serious

 

[Riddum]

Kuch is on pace for 135.

If we adjust the difference in season scoring - this year versus last - McDavid’s 108 last year (his peak season) becomes 117.72 points.

And, for fun, if we adjust Kuch’s projected total this season to account for the difference in scoring between this season and 1981-1982 (Gretzky’s top season), Kuch’s projected 135 becomes 263. Let that sink in. He is on a torrid pace. There is zero room for argument. He is having a historically great season. We haven’t seen anything like it since Mario Lemieux in 1995.

95-96, Goals per game per team was 3.14. Lemieux put up 70GP 69G 92A 161PTS.

Right now, goals per game per team is at 3.06. Kucherov is at 99PTS in 60 Games.

Adjust things all you want, Kucherov is not playing in a Universe anywhere close to where Lemieux and Gretzky were.

 

[Chimpradamus]

And Malkin didn't have a Crosby on a powerplay. Still put up 50 and 110 in 75 games.


I disagree though about McDavid not being good enough. He's got the same 5v5 production as Kucherov this season coming into tonite.

So it's clear that McDavid just has no help on the PP, while Kuch has much more. I mean that's just a fact.

Or maybe McDavid isn't as effective on the PP, because his speed isn't as much of a production factor? He can still pass, but his shot isn't that lethal.

 

[CupsOverCash]

I have trouble believing that. Elite players will put up points regardless, yes.

You don't think McDavid could have a lot more points on even an average roster?

I like Kucherov a lot and was a big fan of his even at the draft when few knew how good he would be.

That said... really? No.. McDavid is the better individual player. He is the best in the world talent wise. It took me until this season to admit it over Crosby even. McDavid's top defenseman is who again? His goalie?

The entire team relies on McDavid. Even Draisaitl and RNH to an extent.

I just feel that you cant dismiss what Kuch is doing because McDavids team sucks. You watch what Kucherov is doing and TB is so far ahead of everyone and he is on pace to destroy some recent point totals. We just cant dismiss this season he is having becuase McDavids team sucks. Its just not fair in my opinion.

 

[PensandCaps]

Or maybe McDavid isn't as effective on the PP, because his speed isn't as much of a production factor? He can still pass, but his shot isn't that lethal.

I'm still willing to bet it would be much easier to pick up PP points if surrounded by Point,Stamkos and Hedman. Instead of Drai and a bunch of trash.

Hell the TBL 2nd PP has a better supporting cast.

 

[PensandCaps]

I have trouble believing that. Elite players will put up points regardless, yes.

You don't think McDavid could have a lot more points on even an average roster?

I like Kucherov a lot and was a big fan of his even at the draft when few knew how good he would be.

That said... really? No.. McDavid is the better individual player. He is the best in the world talent wise. It took me until this season to admit it over Crosby even. McDavid's top defenseman is who again? His goalie?

The entire team relies on McDavid. Even Draisaitl and RNH to an extent.

I feel like Crosby is having a better year than McDavid. Atleast 5v5. I think Crosby is outscoring McDavid 5v5 and has missed two more games.

And has been a better 5v5 defensive player.