RD Jamie Drysdale (2020, 6th, ANA)

[Fatass]

I think hes a couple inches taller? It' a terrible comparison because there games are night and day different. The only similarities I can see is they are good skaters (Drysdale is better) and were drafted by the ducks.

Schultz is a guy who brought offense, but left you wanting more (a lot more) defensively. Drysdale is a guy who is incredibly sound defensively and your hope is that he he can contribute consistently offensively because he has the tools and IQ to do it.

Really all the two have in common is they shoot right.

 

[KaseMeOutside]

That's funny because I think Sanderson is far more risky, but what makes him appealing is the elite physical tools he has which Drysdale does not.

While Drysdale's ceiling is very high, I think his floor is uniquely high for a D+1 Dman. After watching every shift of his WJC and AHL debut I feel confident he could play in the NHL today and be a good third pairing D-Man (at a minimum). Obviously, I don't believe that is not what is best for his development, but my point is that his game is do far developed that I think he could be in an effective NHLer today.

Drysdale has elite physical tools, he's just not 6'5

 

[NHL Dude 120]

Can't say I agree with this.

I haven’t heard any Sens fans say they wish we got Drysdale instead. And We’d probably run a 1A/1B with Chabot and Sanderson. I bet JBD and Pinto talked up Sanderson and Kleven to Dorion. Mackinnion highly recommended the Avs draft Barron.

 

[Hale The Villain]

Drysdale has elite physical tools, he's just not 6'5

Any defenseman that's around 5'11 doesn't have elite physical tools.

 

[Hale The Villain]

That's funny because I think Sanderson is far more risky, but what makes him appealing is the elite physical tools he has which Drysdale does not.

While Drysdale's ceiling is very high, I think his floor is uniquely high for a D+1 Dman. After watching every shift of his WJC and AHL debut I feel confident he could play in the NHL today and be a good third pairing D-Man (at a minimum). Obviously, I don't believe that is not what is best for his development, but my point is that his game is do far developed that I think he could be in an effective NHLer today.

I don't think either are risky whatsoever. Both are among the safest D to be drafted in recent years. Would be shocked if they both didn't end up as good top 4 D at the very least.

 

[joe dirte]

I've never seen a prospect thread with so much talk about a different prospect. some people are so desperate to talk about their prospect, they have to come here because there is so little interest in theirs

Can't we make this thread about Drysdale? there is a lot of excitement about this kid.

 

[supsens]

I haven’t heard any Sens fans say they wish we got Drysdale instead. And We’d probably run a 1A/1B with Chabot and Sanderson. I bet JBD and Pinto talked up Sanderson and Kleven to Dorion. Mackinnion highly recommended the Avs draft Barron.

The sens have been using that US national program a fair bit the last couple years, I think they have developed a trust in what the coaches tell them
Plus Kleven is a monster with decent wheels someone was going to draft him in that second round

 

[theVladiator]

Any defenseman that's around 5'11 doesn't have elite physical tools.

 

[nbducksfan19]

Drysdale has elite physical tools, he's just not 6'5

I guess I could have said imposing size.

 

[nbducksfan19]

Any defenseman that's around 5'11 doesn't have elite physical tools.

And yet many (most) of the greatest all time are around 5'11:

• Bobby Orr
• Ray Bourque
• Paul Coffey
• Denis Potvin
• Doug Harvey
• Eddie Shore
• Chris Chelios
• Phil Housley
• Scott Niedermeyer
• Brian Leetch
• Erik Karlsson
• Brad Park

In fact, very few of the greats when it comes to Defensemen are over 6'

 

[nbducksfan19]

duplicate.

 

[Hale The Villain]

And yet many (most) of the greatest all time are around 5'11:

• Bobby Orr
• Ray Bourque
• Paul Coffey
• Denis Potvin
• Doug Harvey
• Eddie Shore
• Chris Chelios
• Phil Housley
• Scott Niedermeyer
• Brian Leetch
• Erik Karlsson
• Brad Park

In fact, very few of the greats when it comes to Defensemen are over 6'

I didn't say anything about his size being a limitation.

But when I think of elite physical tools I don't think of Erik Karlsson or Scott Niedermayer.

I think of Victor Hedman, Brent Burns, etc.... Size and speed, not just speed.

 

[joe dirte]

I guess I could have said imposing size.

No, you dont have to be 6 foot 6 to be a good dman. Its not his size thst made him the best dman in his draft, he has the best skating, iq, agility, offensive instincts, and 2 way play.

 

[KaseMeOutside]

Any defenseman that's around 5'11 doesn't have elite physical tools.

So Erik Karlsson didn't have elite physical tools eh?

 

[nbducksfan19]

I didn't say anything about his size being a limitation.

But when I think of elite physical tools I don't think of Erik Karlsson or Scott Niedermayer.

I think of Victor Hedman, Brent Burns, etc.... Size and speed, not just speed.

I didn't say anything about his size being a limitation.

But when I think of elite physical tools I don't think of Erik Karlsson or Scott Niedermayer.

I think of Victor Hedman, Brent Burns, etc.... Size and speed, not just speed.

well then I guess we would have to say that having your definition of elite physical tools has little to no affect on a players ability to actually be an elite player.

 

[bsu]

Any defenseman that's around 5'11 doesn't have elite physical tools.

Bad take.

 

[cheesymc]

Any defenseman that's around 5'11 doesn't have elite physical tools.

huh... most olympians are shorter...

 

[Wondercarrot]

And yet many (most) of the greatest all time are around 5'11:

• Bobby Orr
• Ray Bourque
• Paul Coffey
• Denis Potvin
• Doug Harvey
• Eddie Shore
• Chris Chelios
• Phil Housley
• Scott Niedermeyer
• Brian Leetch
• Erik Karlsson
• Brad Park

In fact, very few of the greats when it comes to Defensemen are over 6'

Pronger
Chara
Hedman
Robinson
Lidstrom
Blake
Burns
Also listed above 6’
Leetch
MacInnes
Giordano
Josi

 

[Waterbuf]

Great points guys.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

I was probably higher on Drysdale than anyone. I had him higher at the draft than Byfield and Stuetzle. I didn't view it as particularly close either. I think he just had a lot less question marks than everyone aside from Lafreniere. I'm not sure I ever think he'll be a top 5-10 defensemen in the NHL because he probably does lack dynamic offensive or defensive ability, but I'd be really surprised if he's not a top 20-30 defensemen. His game is very projectable to the NHL between his skating, sense, playmaking, puck moving, and compete level. There is no real weakness in his game either. He's the same height as Makar and Fox, two guys whose below-average size does not impact their ability to be elite NHL'ers. I think he was a very safe pick. I really didn't see it as a defensible that five guys went before him.

 

[nbducksfan19]

Pronger
Chara
Hedman
Robinson
Lidstrom
Blake
Burns
Also listed above 6’
Leetch
MacInnes
Giordano
Josi

I feel like you made my point? That was the best list you could come up with and undoubtedly there are fantastic D-Men who are 6'1 or taller, but most of the all time greats are 5"11 - 6'

 

[nbducksfan19]

I was probably higher on Drysdale than anyone. I had him higher at the draft than Byfield and Stuetzle. I didn't view it as particularly close either. I think he just had a lot less question marks than everyone aside from Lafreniere. I'm not sure I ever think he'll be a top 5-10 defensemen in the NHL because he probably does lack dynamic offensive or defensive ability, but I'd be really surprised if he's not a top 20-30 defensemen. His game is very projectable to the NHL between his skating, sense, playmaking, puck moving, and compete level. There is no real weakness in his game either. He's the same height as Makar and Fox, two guys whose below-average size does not impact their ability to be elite NHL'ers. I think he was a very safe pick. I really didn't see it as a defensible that five guys went before him.

This is exactly how I see it, but I would hold out hope that his offense can be a pleasant surprise (has been so far in AHL - I know there is a long way to go though).

 

[Hale The Villain]

So Erik Karlsson didn't have elite physical tools eh?

He has (well had) an elite physical tool (skating), but not elite physical tools (size and skating). Just like Drysdale.

Shouldn't be hard to understand the difference between tools (plural) and a tool (singular).

well then I guess we would have to say that having your definition of elite physical tools has little to no affect on a players ability to actually be an elite player.

Size is definitely not nearly as important to the success of a defenseman compared to hockey IQ, skill and skating, which Drysdale has in spades.

 

[sasha barkov]

Will be in the same category as Dahlin, Makar, Hughes, Seider, and Heiskenen as the top D men for a long time. Probably 1-2 from the 2021 draft class will join too. I see Sanderson more as a solid two way #3-4. If Ottawa didn't have ties to ND, I wonder if they would've taken Drysdale.

 

[nbducksfan19]

He has (well had) an elite physical tool (skating), but not elite physical tools (size and skating). Just like Drysdale.

Shouldn't be hard to understand the difference between tools (plural) and a tool (singular).



Size is definitely not nearly as important to the success of a defenseman compared to hockey IQ, skill and skating, which Drysdale has in spades.

I'm just not so sure that I agree that Physical Tools are limited to Size and Speed. What about agility, endurance, strength, flexibility, Balance, ect?