Speculation: Ranking the RFA Signings

[Gary Nylund]

Guessing you’d take Huberdeau over Couturier as well?

Guess all you like, I mean why not take this thread even further off topic than it already is? The green chile paste I used to buy is no longer available, I've been making my own but it's not as good as I'd like. Got any good chile paste recipes?

 

[Gary Nylund]

Nice research. Still think it's the 2nd worse. You act like being the 2nd worse on this list is a bad thing. These are all star players or in McAvoy's case, someone who might be that quality one day.

I'd rank MvAvoy higher than you but you're right in the sense that these are only opinions, there are no definitive answers and you may well end up being quite correct in the end. And not being a fan of the Bruins, I sure hope you are right.

 

[TomasHertlsRooster]

20% cap space? If we are comparing contracts across eras with just plain cap hits...we've learned nothing.

This is cap hit percentage. Toews at 11.09% compared to Marner at 13.37%.

Guess all you like, I mean why not take this thread even further off topic than it already is? The green chile paste I used to buy is no longer available, I've been making my own but it's not as good as I'd like. Got any good chile paste recipes?

You’re dodging the question, but Toews on his ELC was a much better player than Marner. It’s not a coincidence that Toews’s team had a ton of success with him at the very top.

 

[Trap Jesus]

The McAvoy one is insane, I still can't believe it.

1. McAvoy
2. Aho
3. Point

 

[GirardSpinorama]

I remember hearing this about Washington, Pittsburgh, LA etc.

Good players win championships. Going out of your way to try to make them feel hopeless is a sad exercise.

Just my opinion. You don't have to like it or agree with it.

 

[Trap Jesus]

Nice research. Still think it's the 2nd worse. You act like being the 2nd worse on this list is a bad thing. These are all star players or in McAvoy's case, someone who might be that quality one day.

McAvoy is that right now, he just hasn't had a full season without injuries so people don't register it. He's the standout #1 D-man on a team that went to Game 7 of the Cup Final.

 

[Dekes For Days]

LOL. The lightening finished 28 points more than the leafs.

Ah, so now it's not about anybody being able to miss and parity and . It's just about your biased opinion with no justification.

Leafs finished with 100 points (7th in points, 4th in goal differential, 4th in ROW) in a year where everything went wrong and they got 0 shootout wins, and now they have a much improved roster and their core is entering their prime, and you're talking about them missing the playoffs.

Spin it any way you want; that is ridiculous.

 

[danpantz]

I'd rank MvAvoy higher than you but you're right in the sense that these are only opinions, there are no definitive answers and you may well end up being quite correct in the end. And not being a fan of the Bruins, I sure hope you are right.

I just wanted to see his reasoning. Was hoping it was something more than, "I just don't like him".

 

[GirardSpinorama]

Ah, so now it's not about anybody being able to miss and parity and . It's just about your biased opinion with no justification.

Leafs finished with 100 points (7th in points, 4th in goal differential, 4th in ROW) in a year where everything went wrong and they got 0 shootout wins, and now they have a much improved roster and their core is entering their prime, and you're talking about them missing the playoffs.

Spin it any way you want; that is ridiculous.

Everyone can make excuses for their teams. Its funny and ridiculous that you act like the Leafs are in the same tier as the Lightening, when they were MUCH closer to Montreal last year.

 

[Gary Nylund]

This is cap hit percentage. Toews at 11.09% compared to Marner at 13.37%.

You’re dodging the question, but Toews on his ELC was a much better player than Marner. It’s not a coincidence that Toews’s team had a ton of success with him at the very top.

If not taking the thread further off topic is dodging then yes, I'm dodging. Toews is far enough topic for me, thanks. Saying that Toews back then is better than Marner today is an opinion I can respect, it's an interesting comparison and a tough one to make (and off topic ITT) since they're very different players. Saying that he's "far better" though is another story altogether, that's just a bit too far out there for me, sorry.

 

[666]

			EV			PP			ToT
Rk	Player	G	A	P	G	A	P	G	A	P
1	Connor McDavid	31	50	81	9	24	33	41	75	116
2	Nikita Kucherov	26	54	80	15	33	48	41	87	128
3	Patrick Kane	35	45	80	9	21	30	44	66	110
4	Leon Draisaitl	31	42	73	16	13	29	50	55	105
5	Johnny Gaudreau	30	42	72	6	21	27	36	63	99
6	Mitch Marner	22	48	70	3	18	21	26	68	94
7	Sidney Crosby	23	46	69	12	17	29	35	65	100
8	John Tavares	37	32	69	10	9	19	47	41	88
9	Artemi Panarin	22	47	69	6	12	18	28	59	87
10	Aleksander Barkov	22	42	64	13	18	31	35	61	96
11	Jake Guentzel	33	31	64	6	5	11	40	36	76
12	Nathan MacKinnon	29	33	62	12	25	37	41	58	99
13	Alex Ovechkin	33	28	61	18	10	28	51	38	89
14	Claude Giroux	19	42	61	2	21	23	22	63	85
15	Max Domi	24	37	61	4	7	11	28	44	72
16	Brad Marchand	23	36	59	10	24	34	36	64	100
17	Sean Monahan	22	37	59	12	11	23	34	48	82
18	Jonathan Huberdeau	19	39	58	11	23	34	30	62	92
19	Mark Scheifele	26	32	58	12	11	23	38	46	84
20	Sean Couturier	24	34	58	8	9	17	33	43	76
21	Brayden Point	21	36	57	20	15	35	41	51	92
22	Jonathan Toews	25	32	57	9	14	23	35	46	81
23	Tomas Hertl	23	34	57	11	4	15	35	39	74
24	David Krejci	14	43	57	6	10	16	20	53	73
25	Steven Stamkos	24	32	56	19	21	40	45	53	98
26	Jack Eichel	20	36	56	8	18	26	28	54	82
27	Matt Duchene	25	31	56	6	8	14	31	39	70
28	Blake Wheeler	16	39	55	2	31	33	20	71	91
29	Dylan Larkin	23	32	55	7	8	15	32	41	73
30	Timo Meier	24	31	55	6	4	10	30	36	66
31	Mikko Rantanen	15	39	54	16	17	33	31	56	87
32	Sebastian Aho	23	31	54	3	21	24	30	53	83
33	Tyler Seguin	24	29	53	9	18	27	33	47	80
34	Matthew Tkachuk	23	30	53	11	13	24	34	43	77

[TBODY] [/TBODY]

 

[Gary Nylund]

Everyone can make excuses for their teams. Its funny and ridiculous that you act like the Leafs are in the same tier as the Lightening, when they were MUCH closer to Montreal last year.

I'd happily bet that the Leafs finish closer to TB than MTL this season. You?

 

[GirardSpinorama]

I'd happily bet that the Leafs finish closer to TB than MTL this season. You?

Sure thing, if we talking point differential.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Despite Toews being a far better player.

Hilarious.

 

[Gary Nylund]

Sure thing, if we talking point differential.

If by that you mean the number of points the teams finish with at the end of the year, then yes.

 

[Dekes For Days]

Everyone can make excuses for their teams. Its funny and ridiculous that you act like the Leafs are in the same tier as the Lightening, when they were MUCH closer to Montreal last year.

Lol @ comparing an underachieving team's point totals to 2 overachieving team's point totals.

Either way, it shouldn't matter. You said:

Making the playoffs is not a guarantee.

So anybody can miss, right?

Things can go south, we've literally seen an ECF team go from 98 points to 67 points only recently.

Look at that; an ECF final team! So it doesn't matter that Tampa has been to the ECF. It can happen to anybody! 98 points to 67? Gee, that's a 31 point drop. A drop that high would put Tampa at a point total below this year's cutoff for the playoffs. Guess their amazing season doesn't make them immune, right?

We've seen cup champions not make the playoffs recently.

Even cup champions not immune! I think it's pretty well-established that anybody can miss, according to you.

To say a first round exit team is somehow immune to the volatility of the NHL is pure homerism.

Yeah, I mean at least a powerhouse like Tampa wouldn't go out in the first rou... Oh.

Looks like I'll be seeing you in Tampa threads; unless of course you're just a biased user getting your anti-Leaf narrative with no justification out in an off-topic thread...

 

[TomasHertlsRooster]

If not taking the thread further off topic is dodging then yes, I'm dodging. Toews is far enough topic for me, thanks. Saying that Toews back then is better than Marner today is an opinion I can respect, it's an interesting comparison and a tough one to make (and off topic ITT) since they're very different players. Saying that he's "far better" though is another story altogether, that's just a bit too far out there for me, sorry.

Okay, that was probably a bit hyperbolous on my part. But I do think prime Toews gets extremely underrated on this forum.

 

[Breakers]

Probably go with McAvoy or Aho being the best.


But huge props to Darren Ferris though.
What a legend.

 

[Dache]

Losing Muzzin will hurt now, but I wouldnt want him on the books for 6+ at 36-37. Liljegren and Sandin wont be immediate improvements but it wont take long for them to exceed his production

I think they’ll b good players as well but let’s not sell Muzzin as a scrub here. He’s a very good d man

 

[Sky04]

Really? I easily see Tkachuk taking his 9M QO on year 4 and then go straight to St. Louis as a UFA on year 5.

Point could walk or force a trade too. He isn't going to get underpaid his whole career.

If anything, a few of these bridge deals are poison pills. Teams with cap issues kicking the can down the road to deal with (even bigger) problems later.

Clearly you don't understand what expiring contracts are. So more capspace and flexibility in the future = bigger problems?

Teams with star players on bridge deals, especially top teams can fit more talent under the cap in that span and then re-sign them long term when they get rid of lesser players, you're insinuating a situation where teams either don't have any players coming off the books or would rather choose to keep their depth guys over their stars.

 

[Dache]

Literally the first page of this thread is a Leaf thread because people started bashing the Marner signing with the usual "Dumbass" posts about Dubas.

I literally just re read the first page and not one person said “dumbass”

 

[Sky04]

Indeed you had to pay more because it all started when Leafs paid Matthews that ridicule money. As good as he is I think Dubas had every leverage to not sign him that contract. If he did I'm pretty sure he could've done the same with Marner. But hey if you guys win the Stanley Cup at least once everyone will forget about those salaries

This is easily the reason why Marner got the contract he got, Matthews had no leverage in his contract with that kind of production and injury list yet he got top money. Marner, the guy who actually plays in all the games every year and produces elite totals has the best case on paper for a large contract, of course he's not going to take a discount.

 

[Breakers]

1. Rantanen
2. Point
3. Werenski
4. Tkachuk
5. Marner
6. Aho
7. Konecny
8. Connor
9. Meier
10. Laine
11. Provorov
12. McAvoy
13. Boeser

Yuck.

Just no logic in this list.

 

[TomasHertlsRooster]

As a Sharks fan, I don’t think Meier should be up at the top here. I could see him providing the most surplus value of any of these contracts especially on a per-year basis, but in terms of the factors that drive the market, SJ really didn’t do very well on his contract. In fact after looking at what Connor signed for with comparable stats I would argue that Meier might have been slightly overpaid.

 

[Guffman]

Probably because you have to actually see how it plays out? Put it this way, knowing how dreadfully wrong HF posters are at predicting anything (remember just over a year ago 3/4 voted Marner a 4th liner), how much would you be willing to bet that the majority of posters in here will end up looking stupid once it plays out?

It's a pretty safe bet.

You think there’s a reasonable opportunity that Marner’s contract turns out to be a bargain? Heh.