Friedman: Rangers listening on Alexandar Georgiev

[Off Sides]

It really do be like that, folks.

Is that like a thing people say?

 

[A1LeafNation]

Rangers probably desperate to trade Gorgiev.

Their third string will probably bolt to the KHL if he not in the NHL this year.

 

[Calad]

Can’t believe this guy isn’t traded. What are the Rangers brass holding out for?

Why are they in a Rush to trade him? Shesterkin certainly has a lot of talent but they aren't going to put all their eggs in one basket, especially a basket that has 3 NHL games.

And so we are at this crossroads; Gorton and co see Georgiev as a serious contender for the starter role after Hank retires, so to trade him away to a team who values him as a backup and will only pay the value of a backup makes no sense. Better off holding out until a team views Georgiev the same way they do.

 

[Calad]

Rangers probably desperate to trade Gorgiev.

Their third string will probably bolt to the KHL if he not in the NHL this year.

Wrong, guess again

 

[A1LeafNation]

Wrong, guess again

Right, you guess.

 

[Calad]

Right, you guess.

See above

 

[A1LeafNation]

See above

See below

 

[Gary Nylund]

Off the top of my head:

This season - Arizona Coyotes: Raanta/Kuemper/Comrie (Comrie eventually traded in December)

Other top of my head examples:

16/17 Islanders - Halak/Greiss/Berube (Halak waived and sent to AHL at some point before finishing year in NHL IIRC)
15/16 Wild - Dubnyk/Kuemper/Backstrom (Backstrom moved at deadline)
06/07 Red Wings - Hasek/Osgood/MacDonald (McDonald waived and lost to Boston shortly before trade deadline)
03/04 Red Wings - Hasek/Joseph/Legace (Wings tried to move Joseph but couldn't, both Joseph/Hasek on and off IR till Hasek got shutdown)
98/99 Red Wings - Osgood/Maracle/Hodson until TDL and then Osgood/Ranford/Maracle (Hodson got beat for #2 job but Holland wouldn't trade him for less than a 3rd until he went to Tampa in the Wendel Clark deal. Ranford came in as vet insurance and because the Wings kinda already knew Maracle was going to Atlanta)
96/97 Red Wings - Osgood/Vernon/Hodson (Everyone in front office not named Bowman hated Vernon and had already chosen Hodson as Osgood eventual back up but didn't want to lose him on waivers. They sent him on a couple AHL conditioning stints during the year)

Thanks for the info. So based on that I guess it's fair to say that starting the season with 3 goalies rarely happens, every 4 years or so there's one team that does it. And keeping them all season hasn't happened in the last 20 years.

Yeah I think it's safe to say NY would like to have this resolved before the next season starts.

 

[Aceboogie]

The market for these type of goalies is set. Hell get a 2nd + 3rd and maybe a B- level prospect.

Check what Talbot/Andersen/Bernier/Scrivens/Fasth got. Most (or all) were around the 70-150 NHL game mark, little starter time, but good numbers as a backup/psuedo starter for period. Unproven at time of trade

Solid guy to target in a trade, but return will be small

 

[AirGut]

you're clueless about the Leafs.

Since Keefe took over they've been relying on Hutchinson way more than Babcock ever did. Babcock only played the backup on the back of b2bs, Hutchinson is getting random games here and there.

If you think the reason Andersen is suffering right now is because of load, you're mistaken.

Goalies are allowed to have off weeks, it's just the waves of the season and he's been tremendous all season except for recently. I have zero worries about our starting goaltending position. Just the backup, which can be upgraded in way more ways than losing a player of Kapanens ill (who is a great 3rd liner btw) we can either roll with Hutchinson (who's been way better since Keefe has taken over) or trade for somebody who will come way cheaper.

But please tell me more about how WE MUST trade for Gorgiev to solidify our backup position

Guy this isn't about the now, it's about 2 years from now when Andersen leaves the Leafs and they can't pay him. They're gonna desperately need someone to get a starting job and Georgiev could provide that even now to certain teams. And trust me they aren't getting Bilyalov and he wouldn't magically be as good as Georgiev is either. The Leafs are heading into some very odd times, but I guess that's what happens when you pay 3 players 10+

 

[TGWL]

Rangers probably desperate to trade Gorgiev.

Their third string will probably bolt to the KHL if he not in the NHL this year.

I mean,
1) He can't right now.
2) He was in the NHL and just got sent down for the all star break.

 

[Kelly]

Guy this isn't about the now, it's about 2 years from now when Andersen leaves the Leafs and they can't pay him. They're gonna desperately need someone to get a starting job and Georgiev could provide that even now to certain teams. And trust me they aren't getting Bilyalov and he wouldn't magically be as good as Georgiev is either. The Leafs are heading into some very odd times, but I guess that's what happens when you pay 3 players 10+

......um okay, then why was your last post all about this season

Georgiev hasnt proved he's capable of playing a starters load, so you're not getting that type of value for him.

Andersen got a 1st + 2nd and was way more proven, think we'll see Georgiev go for something like 2nd + B prospect -- seems like fair value for a goalie like him.

 

[Chardo]

Someone might be dumb enough to trade significant assets for him. Goalies are a dime a dozen. Teams are foolish to overspend for one, in assets and salary.

 

[AirGut]

......um okay, then why was your last post all about this season

Georgiev hasnt proved he's capable of playing a starters load, so you're not getting that type of value for him.

Andersen got a 1st + 2nd and was way more proven, think we'll see Georgiev go for something like 2nd + B prospect -- seems like fair value for a goalie like him.

Well we're definitely not taking garbage tier trash in the form of a certain person named Jermey. If the Leafs won't pay up for Alex so be it we'll just move on to SJS and Labanc

 

[Mrfenn92]

Well we're definitely not taking garbage tier trash in the form of a certain person named Jermey. If the Leafs won't
pay up for Alex so be it we'll just move on to SJS and Labanc

Just don't see the sharks giving up Lablanc.

 

[Leaf Fans]

Well we're definitely not taking garbage tier trash in the form of a certain person named Jermey. If the Leafs won't pay up for Alex so be it we'll just move on to SJS and Labanc

The Rangers aren't dealing exclusively with the Leafs. They are going to trade him for what they consider the best offer if they trade him at all. There is no moving on from one team to another.

 

[bl02]

In fact Gorton would probably prefer to trade him to the West. I guess looking at the Standings the Sharks are looking out of the playoff race so not sure what other western Team is in need of a goalie (present and future)??? Flames?

 

[Kelly]

Well we're definitely not taking garbage tier trash in the form of a certain person named Jermey. If the Leafs won't pay up for Alex so be it we'll just move on to SJS and Labanc

Do Shark fans get a say?

Lablanc.... Come on.

That's worse than Kapanen.

 

[Quinnisinoverhishead]

Why are they in a Rush to trade him? Shesterkin certainly has a lot of talent but they aren't going to put all their eggs in one basket, especially a basket that has 3 NHL games.

And so we are at this crossroads; Gorton and co see Georgiev as a serious contender for the starter role after Hank retires, so to trade him away to a team who values him as a backup and will only pay the value of a backup makes no sense. Better off holding out until a team views Georgiev the same way they do.

How is holding on to him a good thing? We can not go forward for the next year and a half with three goalies. That is asinine. Look at what we got for Talbot. Georgiev today is worth less than Talbot was at that point in time. Trade him for a 2nd and get Shesty developing in the NHL.

 

[bigdog16]

The market for these type of goalies is set. Hell get a 2nd + 3rd and maybe a B- level prospect.

Check what Talbot/Andersen/Bernier/Scrivens/Fasth got. Most (or all) were around the 70-150 NHL game mark, little starter time, but good numbers as a backup/psuedo starter for period. Unproven at time of trade

Solid guy to target in a trade, but return will be small

Again none of those goalies were even close to 23 years old when they were traded

 

[A1LeafNation]

Why are they in a Rush to trade him? Shesterkin certainly has a lot of talent but they aren't going to put all their eggs in one basket, especially a basket that has 3 NHL games.

And so we are at this crossroads; Gorton and co see Georgiev as a serious contender for the starter role after Hank retires, so to trade him away to a team who values him as a backup and will only pay the value of a backup makes no sense. Better off holding out until a team views Georgiev the same way they do.

A couple of their young guys already went home.

They are desperate for this one not to do the same.

 

[RickChartraw]

Bracco + 2nd, move on. Leafs aren't winning a cup with Georgiev anyways but he's probably worth more than that. Leafs should spend some assets on D.

 

[bbny]

A deal like Georgiev/Fast for Kapanen/4th seems like the right kind of fit for both teams. It is unclear if the Rangers will want to re-sign Fast as he will be a UFA this summer. He seems like the right missing piece here to help fill the void left by Kapanen on the 3rd line for the rest of this season. He's got a lot of playoff experience, excellent penalty killer, can chip in with some offense here and there, and plays with the kind of energy and passion that is worth a lot come playoff time.

 

[Alluckks]

Nevermind, not worth it

 

[motopanekeku]

Is that like a thing people say?

It be a thing, yes.