Rangers calling out DOPS! (UPD: NYR fined $250,000)

[Hi ImHFNYR]

There needs be a suspension or some kind, or a penalty to the NYR staff. It is not allowed for the coaches to get involved with referee decisions; quite similarly, this sort of public challenge against the decrees of the league must be addressed. What Wilson did was not great, but that does not make a case for the NYR to challenge the due process in this way.

When you are the DOPS, make a decision that seems to be as wrong as this is and don't even have any sort of transparency you don't get to claim "due process was followed". Most people will question it.

 

[JasonRoseEh]

i love these responses because they clearly show that you have nothing to actually counter with. so it defaults to some variant of "lmaoooo u mad". it's easier to not respond at all instead of embarrassing yourself

A hyperbolic nonsensical response likening hockey to a bullet being shot isn't worthy of being taken seriously. I don't remotely care what someone here thinks of me and insulting someone personally over what some millionaires did on the ice is beyond the pale levels of embarrassing. Says more than enough about you all than I could ever type.

 

[JeremyTB]

Get rid of the instigator rule and allow players to police themselves and their teammates. It's obvious the league is not looking out for them.

 

[lottster14]

Might as well. The whole world is all about whining and complaining on social media now anyway.

Regardless of what people think of the incident this is true. Twitter is truly a cesspit, a human hive of idiocy. It starts with "twit" for a reason.

 

[Yatzhee]

I expect that they have extremely strong support from many other owners as well, that they secured before putting up that statement.

You know it. And as a Sabres fan of 50 years, as a hockey fan, Wilson's actions when combined with his history warrant it.
No one wants this, but given what is now known about head injuries especially, action is demanded, Parros and his department fell short, they will answer for that, one way, or another.

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

Go NYR! Very well said.

 

[HanSolo]

A hyperbolic nonsensical response likening hockey to a bullet being shot isn't worthy of being taken seriously. I don't remotely care what someone here thinks of me and insulting someone personally over what some millionaires did on the ice is beyond the pale levels of embarrassing. Says more than enough about you all than I could ever type.

It's one overdramatic/emotional line in an otherwise valid statement. Exaggeration shouldn't invalidate the entirety of what was stated.

 

[SnuggaRUDE]

Perhaps, but when has public pressure ever been a factor in DoPS decisions? They are bound by actual rules and don't have the leeway to make things up on the fly based on perception. All decisions (especially in terms of forfeiture of salary) must be legally justifiable, or else appeals and lawsuits occur.

At the end of the day, they released a statement that can be easily dismissed as an emotional one and therefore not a rational one. Not one person is going to have their mind changed by this. The Rangers being "big mad" at the decision would have been fully expected when the decision was made.

Meanwhile, if they went public with a well-put together argument for why the decision was indefensible based on the rules and previous interpretations, then the NHL would have to scramble and do damage control. You can't keep Parros once he has been clearly shown to be incompetent.

The NHL, you're familiar with it aren't you?

 

[JasonRoseEh]

Wow. How will the NHL respond to a marquee franchise calling them out?

At least a million dollar fine should suffice.

 

[foggyvisor]

Settle it on the ice, not on Twitter. But then again this is 2021 where outrage mobs reign supreme.

also “horrifying act of violence” is absolutely absurd lol

The statement lost all credibity with "horrifying act of violence". You know who should actually lose their job? The guy that came up with that.

 

[Cricket Green]

My mistake, I thought you guys wanted something that was good for the NHL. The league giving in to a train of teams crying about not getting their way (for once) isn't good for the NHL.

Then there's the potential precedent of giving in to one team and appointing someone that's good for one team. The optics on that.

There's one Tom Wilson, but there's a pile of calls and inaction that every team (including the Capitals) can point at and go "You guys really failed us here". I still think DoPS generally gets more right than they get wrong. Including Wilson's last suspension.

Repeat. Violent. Offender.

No precedent will be set if the league steps up and corrects its mistake. This is a unique situation that is obvious to everyone but you and Caps fans.

 

[Sol]

People are acting like the Rangers organization didn't anticipate a massive fine. They obviously think it's worth it.

 

[DuneGoon84]

"Horrifying act of violence"

What a truly embarrassing take from the Rangers. Pathetic in every way.

Yeah, rag dolling a helmetless player to the ice head first TWICE isn't horrifying then I don't know what is.

 

[RedHawkDown]

A hyperbolic nonsensical response likening hockey to a bullet being shot isn't worthy of being taken seriously. I don't remotely care what someone here thinks of me and insulting someone personally over what some millionaires did on the ice is beyond the pale levels of embarrassing. Says more than enough about you all than I could ever type.

Where did I insult you? I said you have nothing to actually respond with. Saying "it's not worthy of being taken seriously" is yet another way to deflect. The point of that poster's post was that whether or not Panarin actually suffered a head injury is irrelevant in evaluating the danger of Wilson's action. That's what the bullet analogy is saying. Do you have a response to that, or are you going to deflect again?

 

[bobc222]

A hyperbolic nonsensical response likening hockey to a bullet being shot isn't worthy of being taken seriously. I don't remotely care what someone here thinks of me and insulting someone personally over what some millionaires did on the ice is beyond the pale levels of embarrassing. Says more than enough about you all than I could ever type.

LMAO you are the one casting personal insults in this thread at others repeatedly, I agree it is very embarrassing for you.

I also see that you missed the point of the bullet analogy. To explain it more simply for you, the point of the analogy was not to assess the degree of the incident (I never compared a bullet being shot to hockey), but rather to assess the outcome of the incident and the blame that can be assigned with respect to the outcome (the bullet missing the target and whether we can still hold the shooter accountable).

 

[Notsince67]

Paros is a pos whose time has come.
Relieve this incompetent immediately.

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

At least a million dollar fine should suffice.

That would only damage the NHL further.

 

[JasonRoseEh]

Yeah, rag dolling a helmetless player to the ice head first TWICE isn't horrifying then I don't know what is.

Don't engage with a player who is far more imposing physically than you in a scrum when he's surrounded by 3 Rangers. Panarin punches Wilson when he's down, he gets up, 3 guys are there and he goes after Wilson. Boo, F'ing hoo after that.

 

[surixon]

Perhaps, but when has public pressure ever been a factor in DoPS decisions? They are bound by actual rules and don't have the leeway to make things up on the fly based on perception. All decisions (especially in terms of forfeiture of salary) must be legally justifiable, or else appeals and lawsuits occur.

At the end of the day, they released a statement that can be easily dismissed as an emotional one and therefore not a rational one. Not one person is going to have their mind changed by this. The Rangers being "big mad" at the decision would have been fully expected when the decision was made.

Meanwhile, if they went public with a well-put together argument for why the decision was indefensible based on the rules and previous interpretations, then the NHL would have to scramble and do damage control. You can't keep Parros once he has been clearly shown to be incompetent.

No one was ever going to have their minds changed regardless of if the Rangers put out something or nothing. As far as I know teams can't appeal the DOPS so nothing was going to ever change on the Wilson front.

But it has gotten the media and the fans talking. Almost to an outlet that I have seen almost everyone of the talking heads is blasting the NHL.

If enough of the the NHL's major sponsors or TV providers get on board with that sentiment, well money talks and it will force change.

 

[Cricket Green]

People are acting like the Rangers organization didn't anticipate a massive fine. They obviously think it's worth it.

Good luck making James Dolan pay. They wont touch their crown jewel franchise

 

[Crow]

If I shoot a bullet at you and miss, does it still count as "horrifying"? Just because we got lucky that Panarin wasn't disabled or killed doesn't mean that it wasn't horrifying. You need to look at the entire situation and not merely the outcome, in determining how bad something was. The outcome can be an escalating or mitigating factor, but the intent, the action and the likely risks of the action are foremost.

A horrifying act of violence to me is something like a terrorist act or murder of an elderly person. This is just an assault in a hockey game between grown ass men.

 

[Pranzo Oltranzista]

A hyperbolic nonsensical response likening hockey to a bullet being shot isn't worthy of being taken seriously. I don't remotely care what someone here thinks of me and insulting someone personally over what some millionaires did on the ice is beyond the pale levels of embarrassing. Says more than enough about you all than I could ever type.

For someone who doesn't like whiners...

 

[JasonRoseEh]

That would only damage the NHL further.

To who, a minority of whiners on social media? As usual the Twitter mob over inflates their value, the vast majority of people couldn't care less about this and anyone with a set would be completely turned off from this level of hyperbolic nonsense from the Rangers and that's exactly what this grandstanding is, hyperbole.

Horrific act of violence? Give me a break

 

[Herregud]

Repeat. Violent. Offender.

No precedent will be set if the league steps up and corrects its mistake. This is a unique situation that is obvious to everyone but you and Caps fans.

I mean, there are people in this thread that are clearly not Caps fans that don't hold your position. So, sure?

 

[Bounces R Way]

Kind of sad this is going to end up being the biggest story this season when McDavid could break 100 pts in 56 games and Matthews likely gets over 40 goals.