Race for the Rocket Richard 2021

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  1. LeafGrief Votes Matthews in polls

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    The funniest part of this thread is seeing how people spell asterx asteriscks asteri ah f*** it
     
  2. DannyGallivan Your world frightens and confuses me

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    As a Jet fan, I'm not in the McDavid or Matthews camps. I'm just stating the obvious... there are a lot of teams and a lot of defenses not being faced. Would that have made a difference in the long run? Hard to tell, perhaps a comparison of next season and this season would give a hint.
     
  3. Tavares the Noble I was in the pool!!

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    That's true. It also means the defense that players like Matthews and McDavid play have a lot more time to adjust to their game and shut them down, which isn't happening.

    We could also look at previous years and see if they were top players at their respective strengths. Has McDavid always been near the top in points? Has Matthews always been one of the best goal scorers in the game?
     
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    Not to mention that the splits of good to bad teams in division and among the league is pretty much the same. Sure Matthews doesn’t have to try to score against Colorado Tampa, but he also doesn’t get Buffalo or Detroit. Ditto for McDavey
     
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    For additional context, the bottom four GA teams in the league come from each of the four divisions. The bottom 10 are as evenly split as possible, 2 each from the North and East, 3 each from the West and Crental.

    I can't find the tweet, but I recall someone did the analysis and found that the defense in the North was worse (higher average xGA) but they had better goaltending, so actual goals are pretty even across all four divisions.
     
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    the nfl schedule has overall less games and the max amount of games against a team is 2x. their schedule is consistent/follows similar paths. it allows year to year comparisons.

    the awards and cup will be all legit no doubt about that, the problems will only arise when u want to compare the results of this season to other accomplishments from other seasons. then u will be hit with the asterisk remarks and deservedly so. in way the results mean less in the covid season... its especially sad for players who have their prime/career year.

    for example, mcdavid piles up the points and gets outlining/very odd stat at the end of the season - that's a covid result, i refuse to use this season as a pinnacle of a career, however mcdavid was the best before this year so nothing really changed when we "ignore" this season. its a bit different for matthews as he never won an award before, his dominance in goal scoring will be based on a tainted trophy.
     
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    I'm confused why everyone talks about Asterix but not about Obelix :sarcasm:

    I thought it was a hockey thread
     
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  8. Tavares the Noble I was in the pool!!

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    Of course they are different leagues that are ran differently, but not having an even schedule (which doesnt happen in any NHL season) doesn't discredit any accomplishments.

    The issue isn't the astrisk, the issue is using it as a crutch to discredit accomplishments. Of course it has to be mentioned the seaosn was different, but that doesn't mean the players who win are less deserving.

    Matthews has been in the top 3 goal scoring since he entered the league. His ability to score has never been in question.
     
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    Matthews: most goals in first 5 seasons by an American born player. That’s with missing a fair amount of games.

    Tainted trophy my ass!
     
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    It was fun when McDavid was close, but I think Matthews is running away with it. Great goal scorer, one of many for him I'm sure.
     
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    I remember talk of the 2020 cup winner having an asterisk.

    [​IMG]

    Well, there's one on the Wikipedia :laugh:

    The awards will be handed out just like last season, which was shortened, or 2013, which was shortened, or 1995, which was shortened.
     
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    I mean yes he has won an award before lol
     
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    This makes zero sense, because since coming into the league he's been the(excluding this year) he has:

    2nd most goals overall
    1st in even strength goals
    2nd in goals per game(BARELY behind Ovechkin)

    But here's the difference...

    Matthews has had WAY less PP time than all the top goal scorers in that time because Mike Babcock was an idiot.

    Ovechkin for example got 4:17 of PP time a game in that 4 year span, where as Matthews only got 2:36 seconds, that's a ton of time difference.

    Matthews has been the best goal scorer since he entered the league, and doesn't need the rocket to prove it.
     
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    That can be said for literally every troll of every player...Not sure why you feel the need to point the obvious out?
     
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    Prior to yesterday's games, I estimated Matthews to have a 63% chance of winning the Richard trophy (tying for the lead, or an outright win). Two goals at this stage is huge. I now forecast him to have an 80% chance of winning.

    The only other players with >5% chance are McDavid (15%) and Rantanen (9%). Percentages add up to more than 100% due to the possibility of a tie.
     
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    He actually couldn't really shoot the puck for like 13 straight games but otherwise yeah he picked a good year.
     
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    Haha yep, you got it.
     
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    It's not astrophysics.
     
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    Spends almost an entire month of a season (a shortened season at that) working through a wrist injury where he couldn't shoot at all and he's still going to win the Rocket and probably by a good margin.

    Hands down the best goal scorer in the league and there's nobody close.
     
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    If by slumping, you mean 13 points in 12 games, yeah he was slumping for a while after getting a wrist injury.
    :o
     
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    Curious, what model are you using for you forecast?
     
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    Considering he actually missed 3 games as well it's really not close at all. He's truly on his own level as a goal scorer.
     
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    Matthews wrist is getting healthy again so I can also see him turning it up. He was basically playing with one hand for a while (why they let him play is beyond me)

    McDavid is incredible and if anyone could have won it over Matty it's him. He is an absolute treat to watch.
     
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    I agree he is the best and considering his injury it's pretty awesome.

    But McDavid is close as a goal scorer lol nobody in the league is doing anything that is "AINEC" better than him.
     
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    I mean, you can call it what you want but he's still shooting above his percentage this year. The other year he shot at 18.18% was a year with lower volume for him as well (comparable to this year's total to date) - his totals are:

    279 shots 14.34%
    187 shots 18.18%
    251 shots 14.74%
    290 shots 16.2%
    148 shots 18.2%

    The higher the volume the more the percentage evens out.
     
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