World Cup: R16: Belgium vs. Japan, 7/2/2018

Discussion in 'Soccer' started by Live in the Now, Jun 28, 2018.

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Who advances?

Poll closed Jul 2, 2018.
  1. Belgium

    89.2%
  2. Japan

    10.8%
  1. hatterson Registered User

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    Honestly I think that's one of his most underrated skills. He makes excellent runs game in and game out. Sometimes to get into space, sometimes to open it up for others. Doesn't a good job of dragging defenders around or forcing them to go into bad spots.
     
  2. Do Make Say Think & Yet & Yet

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    I expected a very tight game, Japan is consistently underrated. Turned out to be a tight game.
     
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    Responding well and having the edge are two completely different concepts IMO.
     
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    If Belgium have any ideas of winning the world cup they're gonna have to insert boyata back into the starting 11.
     
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    Well I can hardly see them beating Brazil or one of Uruguay/France if their defense continues to play as passive as it did today.
     
  6. Do Make Say Think & Yet & Yet

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    Belgium was favoured for a reason
     
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    I agree. That style can backfire badly but it's still a good representation of football. It's what you want of a game. And, having the right players, it could succeed. Japan was close.
     
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    Yeah and they certainly didn't look that way until a couple well timed lucky breaks, but whatever, my point obviously isn't coming across to you very well.
     
  9. ViD #CBJNeedHugs

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    Yeah but not attacking for 15 minutes to keep the 1-0 loss is apparently acceptable in that culture
     
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    Agreed, they'll have more people tuning in to watch games like today than the two snooze fests we were presented with yesterday.
     
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  11. Do Make Say Think & Yet & Yet

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    Yes it does

    You think they underperformed

    I say they came from behind and managed to not lose their cool as they seemed to be headed for another major choke
     
  12. Sol Seductive God Of Thunder

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    Any idea what that song is during the celebration? The one that sounds like na na na ? Bad description I know lol
     
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    At no point did I think they underperformed, I said I think Japan had the edge in play until 2-1.
     
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    Sometimes a team bunkers by necessity but not intent. If you watched the first 10 mins or so, Japan stRted very brightly. But sometimes another team is just better. They’re going to hold the ball and dictate pace. What is the lesser quality team to do? Defend for their lives.

    Everyone expects these underdog teams to just play their role and come in and play a style which would see them down 0-3 by the 55th minute to the giants. As if that would make for better viewing from a neutral fans perspective than what we had with Japan-Belgium and Russia-Spain.
     
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  15. Do Make Say Think & Yet & Yet

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    Sure, Belgium was weak in the first half for sure.

    But when push came to shove they came through.
     
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    At the start of every game? It's Seven Nation Army by the White Stripes.
     
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    There's much in what you say, and as Belgium broke upfield to score the winner I was asking myself how on earth Japan could have been caught so thin at the back- that was flat out reckless.

    Yet, that moment apart, I'm unsure how much cynicism could have helped them given that to all intents and purposes they not only didn't have a goalkeeper but couldn't counter Belgium's aerial threat. I think attack was a far wiser form of defence than inviting Belgium nearer their own end with the constant risk that either the keeper would cost them a goal or they'd be brutalised jumping for a high ball.

    I missed the first half, but in the second I was impressed by how much Japan got out of what they had. Kagawa aside they possessed little real flair on the ball, but they moved and ran smartly enough to compensate. Perhaps they could have controlled the pace of the game better late on, but I'd say that's splitting hairs. The sense I had was that over an extra 30 minutes Belgium's physical advantage and superior star quality would have told, and I wonder whether maybe Japan at heart felt the same, throwing caution to the wind as a result.

    They're the sort of team that once upon a time English journalists would have called 'valiant'. If nothing else, they did themselves justice- which is more than can be said of a number of supposedly more sophisticated outfits.

    Vertonghen's goal reminded me a touch Uwe Seeler's header against England in 1970. If the BBC are to be believed, Belgium is the first team to overturn a 2-0 deficit to win a World Cup knockout tie since that famous game in Mexico.

    Returning to this game, in the minutes preceding Vertonghen's header everything had been pointing to increased Belgian pressure bringing about a goal. But I suspect the manner in which they scored was decisive because it meant suddenly a team awash with attacking weapons and possessed of a clear tactical advantage was in the scoreboard without having done anything right.
     
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    Yep, the biggest offensive problem was wayward passing (Mertens, Carrasco, Vertonghen) and poor finishing by Lukaku, who on normal day would have scored at least a couple.

    I think Witsel was closing all right (he nearly got there) but there was just too much space for him to cover alone. That the 3-men defence didn't help was probably Martinez's tactical failure, they were way too passive in closing down. That tactics won't work against Brazil, Coutinho will have field day if he's allowed that all that room to shoot in front of the defensive line. De Bruyne and Witsel won't be enough to cover the whole center midfield.

    If Belgium are bold, they'll sacrife a CB for DM, if, not they'll remove a forward (Mertens?).
     
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    Otherwise to me known as the song Carl Frampton fans wouldn't stop singing as I checked into the MGM Grand before their boy lost. So annoying.
     
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    Why is this so popular with European fans?
     
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    Not sure if it's popular Europe-wide, but the whole "xxx is on fire, your defence is terrified nanana" is pretty catchy.

     
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    Condescending as usual. There are people who predicted 4-1 and 4-2.
     
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    Insane to think that this "golden" generation of Belgian Foootball was a fluke goal away of being knocked out of the WC by a Japanese team that qualified on Fair Play points.
     
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    Ehh....I don't know, but better than Cheryshev, I guess.
     

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