World Cup: R16: Belgium vs. Japan, 7/2/2018

Discussion in 'Soccer' started by Live in the Now, Jun 28, 2018.

?

Who advances?

Poll closed Jul 2, 2018.
  1. Belgium

    89.2%
  2. Japan

    10.8%
  1. Sol

    Sol Seductive God Of Thunder

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2017
    Messages:
    10,084
    Likes Received:
    5,650
    Trophy Points:
    141
    Gender:
    Male
    The end, my boy. But thanks nonetheless :).

    It sounded better with the stadium echo thank you :)
     
  2. Sol

    Sol Seductive God Of Thunder

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2017
    Messages:
    10,084
    Likes Received:
    5,650
    Trophy Points:
    141
    Gender:
    Male
    That's brilliant. Sounds better when the crowd sings it together.
     
  3. Vancouver Canucks

    Vancouver Canucks Registered User

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2015
    Messages:
    9,769
    Likes Received:
    1,254
    Trophy Points:
    94
    Good on Belgium. Without the likes of Honda and Kawasaga, game would've been 5-0.
     
  4. Alex Jones

    Alex Jones BIG BOWL 'A CHILI!!

    Joined:
    Jun 8, 2009
    Messages:
    30,391
    Likes Received:
    2,517
    Trophy Points:
    186
    Location:
    Conspiratron 9000
    Japan play better against teams that will open up and try and possess the ball. They are actually quite bad at breaking down the defense and struggle a lot against teams that try to counter them. They are very good at possessing the ball though, and if you try to play that game with them they will press you into mistakes and get their chances.
     
  5. Vancouver Canucks

    Vancouver Canucks Registered User

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2015
    Messages:
    9,769
    Likes Received:
    1,254
    Trophy Points:
    94
    Who's their coach?
     
  6. S E P H

    S E P H @SEPH_WHL

    Joined:
    Mar 5, 2010
    Messages:
    17,598
    Likes Received:
    5,386
    Trophy Points:
    171
    Occupation:
    WHL
    Location:
    Toruń, PL
    Belgium is so pathetic.
     
  7. Vancouver Canucks

    Vancouver Canucks Registered User

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2015
    Messages:
    9,769
    Likes Received:
    1,254
    Trophy Points:
    94
    They played better than Japan did. Also, they didn't pass the ball in their zone for 45 minutes.
     
  8. Vancouver Canucks

    Vancouver Canucks Registered User

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2015
    Messages:
    9,769
    Likes Received:
    1,254
    Trophy Points:
    94
    Passing in their zone for 45 minutes just to get to Round of 16. I'm sure that's an enviable move.
     
  9. Havre

    Havre Registered User

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2011
    Messages:
    4,725
    Likes Received:
    724
    Trophy Points:
    109
    If only they had a Son up front.......
     
  10. Vancouver Canucks

    Vancouver Canucks Registered User

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2015
    Messages:
    9,769
    Likes Received:
    1,254
    Trophy Points:
    94
    So, you're in favour of how Japan stalled an entire half to get to the Round of 16? Cheap move, really.
     
  11. Havre

    Havre Registered User

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2011
    Messages:
    4,725
    Likes Received:
    724
    Trophy Points:
    109
    I don't have a problem with it. If Senegal scores they have a problem. It's not a tactical risk free decision.

    I would take 3 out of 4 games like Japan played every day over any other team in the WC. And I don't blame them for not being stupid in the 4th.
     
  12. Vancouver Canucks

    Vancouver Canucks Registered User

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2015
    Messages:
    9,769
    Likes Received:
    1,254
    Trophy Points:
    94
    Such a tactic flies in the face of fair play. I think Japan shouldn't have played that way. It's definitely a shame they made to the Round of 16. I would also say this if the team that did it were not Japan.
     
  13. Havre

    Havre Registered User

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2011
    Messages:
    4,725
    Likes Received:
    724
    Trophy Points:
    109
    I hear people say that, but I don't understand what it means.

    It never really happens that a team is happy with losing 0-1 and that the opposition have little interest in making it 0-2. In my opinion people are reading far too much into those minutes. And as I said - if Senegal scores Japan look like fools.
     
  14. Vancouver Canucks

    Vancouver Canucks Registered User

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2015
    Messages:
    9,769
    Likes Received:
    1,254
    Trophy Points:
    94
    Senegal wants to advance to the Round of 16 as much as Japan does. The African nation played all of its three games fairly with equal opportunities to take ball possession. Fair play dictates Japan should have done the same to create fair results. You said, if Senegal scores, Japan will look like fools. Oh, I think Japan made a shameful move, then. It's seriously not a matter of losing 1-0 or 2-0. Japan was moving to the knockout stages, regardless.
     
  15. Havre

    Havre Registered User

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2011
    Messages:
    4,725
    Likes Received:
    724
    Trophy Points:
    109
    I have no idea what you are talking about.

    Are you saying it didn't matter if Japan lost 0-1 or 0-2? If so you are wrong. Senegal would have gone through on goal difference if Japan loses 0-2.

    I can only repeat what I have said earlier. It only occasionally happens in tournaments that two teams have little motivation for attacking (so hardly a big problem for football). I don't think attacking has anything to do with fair play. Why would it? "Fair play dictates....." is not an argument. It is just a statement basically similar to "I didn't like it so...."
     
  16. Vancouver Canucks

    Vancouver Canucks Registered User

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2015
    Messages:
    9,769
    Likes Received:
    1,254
    Trophy Points:
    94
    Personally, tamely passing the ball isn't as taxing as going out on offense, but it's a disrespect to players who have played to their fullest to make World Cup an entertaining sport. FIFA should take this matter seriously, but what do you know? They had players taking hormones play.
     
  17. Havre

    Havre Registered User

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2011
    Messages:
    4,725
    Likes Received:
    724
    Trophy Points:
    109
    Yes. What do I know.

    Senegal had every opportunity to score one more goal. Really don't see the problem. Senegal, due to lack of quality, didn't manage to - so they went out.

    Please mention the last time a team is 1-0 up without any incentive to score playing against a team happy to lose 1-0. Might never have happened before and might never happen again. So I'm not sure if FIFA should care too much.
     
    Kalel likes this.
  18. Kalel

    Kalel Registered User

    Joined:
    Feb 23, 2010
    Messages:
    39
    Likes Received:
    0
    Trophy Points:
    24
    As these sources state, the team and coach, and I am sure the fans were not happy with what happened to qualify. “The way I made them play was out of character (for the team)"

    And to get back on topic of Belgium vs Japan, the vow to return to more character play led to a very enthralling match, where the critique is now the opposite, where in hindsight Japan should have made some earlier subs and play more conservatively while being up 2 in second half.

    Nishino apologizes to players for tactics late in group-stage match against Poland | The Japan Times

    Japan manager Akira Nishino admits his own negative tactics left him unhappy


     
    Last edited: Jul 3, 2018
  19. Vancouver Canucks

    Vancouver Canucks Registered User

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2015
    Messages:
    9,769
    Likes Received:
    1,254
    Trophy Points:
    94
    That's pretty much your opinion, though. Who knows if Poland had the incentive to score more? And, of course, if this kind of act gets overlooked, there can be more teams using this tactic.
     
  20. Havre

    Havre Registered User

    Joined:
    Jul 24, 2011
    Messages:
    4,725
    Likes Received:
    724
    Trophy Points:
    109
    Who knows if Poland had any incentives? Everyone?
     
    Kalel likes this.
  21. Vancouver Canucks

    Vancouver Canucks Registered User

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2015
    Messages:
    9,769
    Likes Received:
    1,254
    Trophy Points:
    94
    Japan was clearly manipulating the result of the match against Poland and should be penalized in one form or another. They lost, but their interest was on advancing to the Round of 16, knowing that Senegal is behind them. And adding a stupid speculation that Poland had no incentive to win is, I repeat, pretty stupid. :)
     
  22. Vancouver Canucks

    Vancouver Canucks Registered User

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2015
    Messages:
    9,769
    Likes Received:
    1,254
    Trophy Points:
    94
    Honestly, they can regret and apologize all day, knowing that their team advances, regardless of those actions.
     
  23. Eisen

    Eisen Registered User

    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2009
    Messages:
    13,253
    Likes Received:
    1,029
    Trophy Points:
    169
    Location:
    Duesseldorf
    Their first goal was pretty fluky.
     
  24. Vancouver Canucks

    Vancouver Canucks Registered User

    Joined:
    Feb 8, 2015
    Messages:
    9,769
    Likes Received:
    1,254
    Trophy Points:
    94
    Fault of the Japanese goalie, too. Goalkeepers like Lloris, Jo, and Courtois would've saved that easily.
     
  25. Eisen

    Eisen Registered User

    Joined:
    Sep 30, 2009
    Messages:
    13,253
    Likes Received:
    1,029
    Trophy Points:
    169
    Location:
    Duesseldorf
    any normal goalie would have.
     

Share This Page

  1. This site uses cookies to help personalise content, tailor your experience and to keep you logged in if you register.
    By continuing to use this site, you are consenting to our use of cookies.
    Dismiss Notice
monitoring_string = "358c248ada348a047a4b9bb27a146148"