GWT: Premier League Round 32

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  1. Evilo

    Evilo Registered User

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    That's called double standards :
    "Ten of those names I feel pretty good about. Virgil may have be the 11th man of he was at Liverpool all season, but, as of now I wouldn't feel right putting him in there. Maybe next year."
    So you considered Virgil, who sucked like crazy for half the season and hasn't even been out of this world in the second half, but you wrote off Eriksen who had a slow start and has been amazing for a while now. :huh:
    Come on Savant.
     
  2. Creed Bratton

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    Eriksen's first two months were pretty lukewarm, but in october/november I just don't understand what got into him. The technical aspects he usually excelled at became absolutely awful. All of a sudden he couldn't control simple passes and kept fumbling with the ball leading to turnovers. He was a liability on the pitch in most of those games. That's why I wouldn't consider him to be in the TOTY, even if he is playing really well right now.
     
  3. YNWA14

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    He's saying if VvD had been at Liverpool all season (and I'm assuming that means if he'd been in the same form all season) he'd be in, but he says he wouldn't feel right putting him in there based on what actually happened.

    Nothing to see here.
     
  4. spintheblackcircle

    spintheblackcircle Hello, Jose!

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    All this talk about what a bad year Dele has had and how good Son and Eriksen has been:

    Goals and assists in league play
    Dele-17
    Eriksen-16
    Son-16

    In all matches
    Son-28
    Dele-27
    Eriksen-23

    And he's 5 years younger than both.
     
  5. Live in the Now

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    Re: Alonso the way I remember it is him scoring crucial goals and along with Hazard being the only consistent attacking threats for that team. He also didn't start the season inexplicably benched so even though that's clearly the weakest position in this league I'd put him there.
     
  6. Creed Bratton

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    By the way, Tottenham's financial reports were released today and they nearly managed a 50% increase in revenue in 16/17 compared to 15/16. Can't wait to see the financial report after the first season in the new stadium.
     
  7. Evilo

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    So he considered him. Not Eriksen.
    And what if Eriksen had been in great form all season?
    This makes zero sense.
     
  8. YNWA14

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    I'm sure if Eriksen had been in great form all season he would have considered him also? I don't think this needs to be explicitly stated but the discussion you quoted was about the inclusion of Tarkowski and how there was surely better options. Eriksen wasn't even brought up then.
     
  9. Savant

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    Two things:

    Virgil plays a much less competitive position for spaces. That figures in. I also said I only thought one CB was worthy of a spot, which illustrates how uninspiring the PL centerbacks have been this season.

    Secondly, the way I look at it, its not about if you are the 12th man. Its about whether you are in or not. Virgil isnt the twelfth man, but as explained above there are much better midfielders and forwards than defenders in the PL.

    As I said. Nothing to see here
     
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    And I am taking a mulligan on Tarkowski
     
  11. Live in the Now

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    I think Dele has had a very good season and people have overreacted to his play. His scoring role has decreased because Eriksen has been more of a scorer and that means he has to adjust. He's pretty young and needs time to learn how to do that. He hasn't been great, that would be too far, but he's still a learning player and defenses now know they can wind him up big time.
     
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    Dele described it himself in a recent article.

    Dele Alli exclusive: I'm numb to critics, and opponents are more concerned with me

     
  13. Wee Baby Seamus

    Wee Baby Seamus Yo, Goober, where's the meat?

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    TOTY (4-4-2, because it always is):

    Kane - Salah
    Hazard - De Bruyne - David Silva - Sane
    Alonso - Otamendi - Vertonghen - Walker
    De Gea

    This team has five shoe-ins: Kane, Salah, De Bruyne, Silva, and De Gea. The rest is personal discretion IMO.

    I'm curious as to how the PFA will consider Salah. I was uncertain whether to put him on one of the wings and Aguero/Firmino in the other striker spot, but decided Salah has been more of a forward.
     
  14. hatterson

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    Primarily driven by ~77M in CL media money. I wouldn't expect them to see as significant a percentage raise this year given that CL money will go down slightly due to 5 English team splitting the pot and two of them outpacing Spurs in terms of how far they are going.
     
  15. YNWA14

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    This was also something I considered, but ultimately they usually go by starting position, and while Salah really plays as more of a wide poacher, or even outright up front at times, he's almost always 'starting' on the right in the line-ups and matchday squads. So I imagine it'll be on the right (which was also my logic in including Firmino alongside Kane.

    I could see an argument for Hazard over Sane also. It's just hard not to put more City players in with the way they've dominated the league (and I prefer Kane to Aguero personally).

    de Gea
    Walker - Azpilicueta - Vertonghen - Robertson
    Salah - de Bruyne - Silva - Hazard
    Firmino - Kane​

    I don't think the TotY cares about having a balanced squad IIRC, so I could see this being the team also.
     
  16. Wee Baby Seamus

    Wee Baby Seamus Yo, Goober, where's the meat?

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    They will almost definitely put Salah out wide, I just wanted an excuse to put Hazard in :laugh:

    I also wanted to roll with Azpilicueta over Otamendi, but decided I couldn't justify two Chelsea defenders considering that we've been a damn sieve, and decided that the gap between Alonso and #2 was larger than that between Azpi and Otamendi.

    I'd be surprised if they went with Firmino over Aguero (even though I think there's a great case for Firmino) simply because they're gonna wanna give as much credit to this City team as possible.
     
  17. Havre

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    Fair enough (bold part).

    You make Firmino sound like a mix between Messi, Ibrahimovic and Roy Keane. Rather clueless to say Firmino is "completely different level" when Eriksen´s movement off the ball is world class. But I guess no two people have ever gone from disagreeing to agreeing on an online message board when it comes to. these things. And now I see Hazard in teams as well - I just got to accept my views are different (can´t help thinking Hazard is in there based on his name and potential - not his actual performances this season - not unlike Kane).
     
  18. Evilo

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    It is hard. No doubt.

    But you did a great job considering you managed to put as many City players as Liverpool players. A+ for effort.
     
  19. Havre

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    In that financial year they went out in the group stages. Also played at a reduced capacity WHL compared to Wembley.

    You are correct that the jump won’t be as big, but still expecting a fairly significant increase over the two next seasons as long as there is CL football.

    Also quite interesting with £41m retained profit. Would not be surprised if Spurs spend some serious money in the summer (not that I personally care how much money that is spent).
     
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    I honestly laughed out loud at this. Not many times you can say LOL. Thanks.
     
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    ---- Kane - Aguero---
    -Sane - KdB - Silva - Salah
    Alonso - Azpilicueta - Otamendi - Walker
    ---- De Gea

    4-4-2
    What I expect.. I would not be surprised to see Lukaku instead of Aguero because of.. United.
     
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  22. Live in the Now

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    Lukaku will be nowhere near that thing. Aguero, Vardy, Firmino, Sterling, and Kane have all been better forwards this season.
     
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    Yeah. Even the Utd-connection won't be enough.

    The state of LBs in the PL when guys like Alonso and Robertson are mentioned as the best (not that they are bad players, but they really shouldn't be the best). Not that I see anyone else being clearly better - Young might have a shout. Mendy and Rose would have been clear choices if it hadn't been for the injuries.

    DDG
    Walker - Vertonghen - Young
    KDB - Silva - Eriksen - Salah
    Kane - Aguero - Firmino (edited due to only 10 players)

    Obviously not balanced. And I do realize that it is a bit Spurs-centric, but been extremely impressed with Vertonghen this season (a guy I have previously considered as a weak link - much better than Alderweireld even before the injury). I don't have a clear candidate for the best CD at the moment. Utd don't have a clear go to man. Eriksen is why Spurs are basically just as good without Kane. When Eriksen is a bit off (as earlier in the season) Spurs look slow and uninspiring. Additionally he is never shy of covering ground defensively - never out of position. Kane would be my first Spurs player to go. Maybe one could argue Firmino has been better, but I don't see it (if I supported the team in red maybe - I don't know). Even at 95% Kane is more effective than Lukaku and Vardy.

    I love Sane. One of, if not the most exciting players in the league (I don't think Salah's performances are sustainable), but he lacks a bit of consistency for me. Also benefits from playing for City. Just feel like the others are more the primary source of attacking play than he is at the moment. Sane could very well become the best player in the league in a year or two though.

    For central defenders Utd don't have any go to guy at the moment. To me Azi are on these teams because of his reputation. Christensen impressed me until recently (clearly tired). van Dijk for me hasn't been that good. Otamendi maybe, but I think Vertonghen has been better. I get Tarkowski actually.

    For goalkeepers I was tempted to have Pope. Haven't watched him as often as DDG, but he has been extremely impressive. I do wonder if I went for DDG just because of the name actually.
     
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    Everybody here dropping Fernandinho are off their rockers.
     
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    You miss one guy Havre likely a CB.
     

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