Friedman: Preds only untouchables are Josi, Ellis and Rinne

[Cotton]

Pittsburgh had two generational centers which allowed them to get by without an elite D group so they aren't really the best comparable.

That’s certainly an opinion, but most will tell you there is a lot of luck involved regardless. Our D is better than it has been in years, and can still use improvement, and we’re still offensively better than the teams you listed. As long as our goaltender doesn’t lay an egg (which he admittedly has in game 7’s) we had as much a chance - with some luck- as anybody.

 

[Soundgarden]

Mantha seems pretty checked out on losing. I don't know that he makes it through this rebuild anyway. Maybe they'll hold out for some futures to compensate for age.

That being said Red Wings are clearing 2 mil in cap so that could be the balancer.

Then he's not going to like coming to Nashville rn.

But seriously, I'd think about that one.

 

[markog]

Arvidsson and Ekholm would make us damn near unbeatable in the north division.

Until the 1st round of playoffs....

 

[Vincenzo Arelliti]

Kostin, STL ‘21 1st, STL ‘22 2nd, and Sanford

for Forsberg @ 50%?

 

[HC7]

Kerfoot- .58 points per game playing on the highest-scoring team in the league

Forsberg- .88 points per game on the 24th highest-scoring team in the league

TOI

Forsberg - 18:37

Kerfoot - 14:26

Off. Zone Start %

Forsberg - 64.79

Kerfoot - 34.38

Most common linemates:

RYAN JOHANSEN - FILIP FORSBERG - VIKTOR ARVIDSSON

ZACH HYMAN - ALEXANDER KERFOOT - ILYA MIKHEYEV

 

[BlueMed]

There is no point in having untouchables if you're not in it to win it. You either go all in or you start a rebuild. If you want to start a full rebuild, then sell off as many assets as possible and gain as many draft picks in return.

 

[Soundgarden]

There is no point in having untouchables if you're not in it to win it. You either go all in or you start a rebuild. If you want to start a full rebuild, then sell off as many assets as possible and gain as many draft picks in return.

All our "untouchables" have NMC/NTC clauses, except Ellis, who's contract is large enough that he'll be here past our rebuild.

 

[Mal Reynolds]

Just my $.02 but I think it's a bit silly to call for Nashville to basically go for a "scorched earth" rebuild... what was the last team to do that successfully, Washington in 04? (And they wound up having a generational goal scorer/all time great to build around)

Better to do it more like the Rangers imo. Yes, they sold aggressively, but they also retained pieces like Hayes to sell off later. There's no law that you have to sell every valuable piece *right now*, and you can hang on to a guy like Josi to insulate/mentor the kids... I mean, I get the argument that you can theoretically get a haul for them, but realistically, most trade scenarios involve playoff teams & contenders dealing low firsts and B prospects

In fact, I'd argue the primary purpose to sell off prime assets is to bottom out, with the hope that throwing a few extra darts at the draft board pan out. Not a guarantee though

And given Nashville seems to be bottoming out *with* these players, I'm just not sure an "everything must go" fire sale is entirely compelling

Sorry for the rant, I just see that argument a lot here and it can rub me the wrong way. There's more to rebuilding than just accumulating as many shiny pieces as possible imo

 

[Brown Cat]

Wait, does this mean Tomasino is available? If so, that is some bullshit.

 

[Byrddog]

I recall a lot of Shea Weber is untouchable comments a while ago..... Rinne will not be moved for what he has done for the organization. He has been the single most impactful player in Preds history. He will retire here and have the 35 lifted to the roof.

 

[TootooTrain]

Oh cool. I notice a lot of Toronto fans scoffing at the thought of giving up Robertson. What makes you go against that grain?

Gotta give to get. I also love arvy and his style of play.

 

[Sweetpotato]

Just my $.02 but I think it's a bit silly to call for Nashville to basically go for a "scorched earth" rebuild... what was the last team to do that successfully, Washington in 04? (And they wound up having a generational goal scorer/all time great to build around)

Better to do it more like the Rangers imo. Yes, they sold aggressively, but they also retained pieces like Hayes to sell off later. There's no law that you have to sell every valuable piece *right now*, and you can hang on to a guy like Josi to insulate/mentor the kids... I mean, I get the argument that you can theoretically get a haul for them, but realistically, most trade scenarios involve playoff teams & contenders dealing low firsts and B prospects

In fact, I'd argue the primary purpose to sell off prime assets is to bottom out, with the hope that throwing a few extra darts at the draft board pan out. Not a guarantee though

And given Nashville seems to be bottoming out *with* these players, I'm just not sure an "everything must go" fire sale is entirely compelling

Sorry for the rant, I just see that argument a lot here and it can rub me the wrong way. There's more to rebuilding than just accumulating as many shiny pieces as possible imo

IMO in rebuilds you move the Josi's and Forsbergs, your stars, and keep other character players to teach youngsters. NY in your example moved McDonagh, their #1 dman.

I don't think scorched earth is ever the right idea but I also think you don't keep top 10 players at their position just so they can age out their years and either limit your tank or destroy their value.

 

[Soundgarden]

Just my $.02 but I think it's a bit silly to call for Nashville to basically go for a "scorched earth" rebuild... what was the last team to do that successfully, Washington in 04? (And they wound up having a generational goal scorer/all time great to build around)

Better to do it more like the Rangers imo. Yes, they sold aggressively, but they also retained pieces like Hayes to sell off later. There's no law that you have to sell every valuable piece *right now*, and you can hang on to a guy like Josi to insulate/mentor the kids... I mean, I get the argument that you can theoretically get a haul for them, but realistically, most trade scenarios involve playoff teams & contenders dealing low firsts and B prospects

In fact, I'd argue the primary purpose to sell off prime assets is to bottom out, with the hope that throwing a few extra darts at the draft board pan out. Not a guarantee though

And given Nashville seems to be bottoming out *with* these players, I'm just not sure an "everything must go" fire sale is entirely compelling

Sorry for the rant, I just see that argument a lot here and it can rub me the wrong way. There's more to rebuilding than just accumulating as many shiny pieces as possible imo

Just because every body is "available" doesn't mean we're dealing all of them. I suspect we'll have quite a few vets still on the road after the deadline. We'll probably just deal Arvidsson, Ekholm and Granlund. Maybe some random bottom sixers, but that's about it.

Wait, does this mean Tomasino is available? If so, that is some bullshit.

They're probably not talking about players not currently on the roster.

 

[Hockeyfannnn91]

Teams need a pillar in the lockerroom to give the room direction and stability. Trading everyone to load up on futures without regard for the team culture is how you end up in perpetual rebuild situations like Buffalo, Arizona, or Edmonton.

Josi is still young enough that he could be an important piece on the other side of a rebuild, just like Shea Weber in Montreal.

Why would you josi want to stick around for 10 yrs of losing? Its all fun for nashville but if im josi im not wasting my career for that hes still an elite dman

 

[Soundgarden]

Why would you josi want to stick around for 10 yrs of losing? Its all fun for nashville but if im josi im not wasting my career for that hes still an elite dman

What team are you a fan of that a rebuild takes 10 years. Haha.

 

[ITM]

Someone in Preds organization is sitting at home laughing loudly at Friedman. Rinne is untouchable in 2021? Yeah right.

Imagine present day Rinne being an "untouchable" let's hope for Preds fans sakes that Friedman is out to lunch here.

Yeah, that's strange. So, Saros is available?

Watched his last game, couldn't fault him for any goal. Mindful he's been in a slump, his career, his age, he's an RFA...and he's available while Rinne's protected?

 

[Unbiased Fan]

38 Pekka Rinne is untouchable? That makes no sense.

He’s untouchable because of his legacy as a predator they're gonna keep him until he retires as a favour to him.

 

[Cogburn]

Ekholm and Forsberg.

Vancouver would have to send cap back (not all of it dumps), but whats the overall ask here? A first and a prospect for Forsberg, and what's the ask on Ekholm when he's healthy again?

 

[CanadienShark]

What is the ask for fabbro?

I know he wasn't listed there and he'd fit great in Vancouver, but why would they trade him? I'd assume they ask Boeser+ at minimum, which I assume Nucks fans would be iffy (at best) on.

 

[BenningHurtsMySoul]

Gaudette + 2nd 21

Fabbro

 

[Legionnaire11]

Sorry, he's a defensive liability above second pair, maybe third pair.

He's not a shutdown defender, but he holds his own. There are some nights that he is the best defender on the team. He's a physical presence too despite his size, and is rarely a liability, certainly well above third pairing ability. Combined with his leadership qualities (associate Captain) and a guaranteed .5-.7 ppg offensive output, there's just no way to describe Ryan Ellis as bad.

 

[Soundgarden]

Ekholm and Forsberg.

Vancouver would have to send cap back (not all of it dumps), but whats the overall ask here? A first and a prospect for Forsberg, and what's the ask on Ekholm when he's healthy again?

A 1st and a prospect for Ekholm. Forsberg's going to cost a lot.

I know he wasn't listed there and he'd fit great in Vancouver, but why would they trade him? I'd assume they ask Boeser+ at minimum, which I assume Nucks fans would be iffy (at best) on.

I don't know if Fabbro is worth that much.

Gaudette + 2nd 21

Fabbro

I think I'd want someone better than Gaudette coming back if we're moving Fabbro.

 

[Bounces R Way]

I don't even know how you could properly blow that roster up. Who wants RyJo or Duchene? Going to be tough to get even ok value for a lot of Predators players.

 

[The Red Helmet]

TOI

Forsberg - 18:37

Kerfoot - 14:26

Off. Zone Start %

Forsberg - 64.79

Kerfoot - 34.38

Most common linemates:

RYAN JOHANSEN - FILIP FORSBERG - VIKTOR ARVIDSSON

ZACH HYMAN - ALEXANDER KERFOOT - ILYA MIKHEYEV

This in no way makes up for a .3 points per game difference. It's funny that you think it does.

 

[Soundgarden]

I don't even know how you could properly blow that roster up. Who wants RyJo or Duchene? Going to be tough to get even ok value for a lot of Predators players.

Nobody in this thread is talking about either of them. Arvidsson, Ekholm have plenty of value and Granlund can get a decent return if he keeps playing well this year. Sissons and Jarnkrok are valuable enough for cap teams considering their contracts and versatility.