TSN: Polak on the Block

Menzinger · Nov 18, 2015

sda said:
How is a 3rd for an established dmen great. He should be worth more than that

He's playing like a bottom pairing guy. Sure he's tough but he's also useless with the puck.

These kinds of guys aren't worth a lot on the trade market

Banic · Nov 18, 2015

Menzinger said:
He's playing like a bottom pairing guy. Sure he's tough but he's also useless with the puck.

These kinds of guys aren't worth a lot on the trade market

Veteran tough d men with limited contract length are in demand, especially around TDL. He's the kind of player that excels under certain systems. Hunwick was a bottom pairing d man on other teams as well.

A1LeafNation · Nov 18, 2015

Hall Gill doesn't play good in Maurice's system. Beauchemin doesn't play good in Wilson's system. Polak played well in Carlyle's system.
Don't put stay at home d-men with Run and Gun coaches. Put them in situations to succeed. Polak is a proven commodity.

Neil Hamburger · Nov 18, 2015

Polak is probably the most obvious trade bait we have this year.

He's okay, nothing special, but he brings something teams value: a D-man who can skate, and is "tough to play against".

In a perfect world we get a 2016 2nd for him, but I think a 3rd + is more realistic.

diceman934 · Nov 18, 2015

I would like Polak a whole lot more if he would stop thinking that he should carry the puck....he skates himself into trouble far to many times in a game.

We will move him for a 3rd at some point this season....and maybe if the gods are smiling down on us a 2nd from some desperate team.

He is a hard working D man who is a bottom pair D man...if he kept it simple he could be a better D man, but he will not!

zeke · Nov 19, 2015

somebody will overvalue his skillset. they always do.

gms are addicted to toughness on the blue line.

Ovate · Nov 19, 2015

He's better than Gleason, and Gleason got a 4th. I don't think he'll get a 2nd unless he improves over the next 40 games, but he should get at least a 3rd.

leafs in five · Nov 19, 2015

Ovate said:
He's better than Gleason, and Gleason got a 4th. I don't think he'll get a 2nd unless he improves over the next 40 games, but he should get at least a 3rd.

ideally we can get a young-ish top 4 defenseman signed to a good deal with some salary covered plus a 3rd.

thewave · Nov 19, 2015

leafs in five said:
ideally we can get a young-ish top 4 defenseman signed to a good deal with some salary covered plus a 3rd.

That's what I was thinking, hey, that's what we paid for him!

Doc300c · Nov 19, 2015

Potentially a spot for Granberg as he is training again and could be playing in a month or so

YOYOTCROSTER* · Nov 19, 2015

Great point about how a dman plays relative to a coaches system and his value because of this dynamic. The reason mac mentioned it is many teams are calling the Leafs to get him. Leafs are not shopping him. You will be quite surprised at his value. A 2nd round pick and a prospect is very likely. but I think Leafs will hold until they get what they want. At TDL he will get even more.

therealkoho · Nov 20, 2015

Mad Brills said:
http://www.todaysslapshot.com/from-the-ice/mckenzie-on-availability-of-schenn-polak-carle-wideman/

Mckenzie: "Depending on who you talk to, veteran defenseman Roman Polak with the Toronto Maple Leafs could be had for the right price"

therealkoho: "Depending on who you talk to, other then Morgan Rielly, any of the Toronto Maple Leafs could be had for the right price"

:sarcasm:

thewave · Nov 20, 2015

YOYOTCROSTER said:
Great point about how a dman plays relative to a coaches system and his value because of this dynamic. The reason mac mentioned it is many teams are calling the Leafs to get him. Leafs are not shopping him. You will be quite surprised at his value. A 2nd round pick and a prospect is very likely. but I think Leafs will hold until they get what they want. At TDL he will get even more.

I don't think you will get more. It's very unpredictable this year.

buttman* · Nov 20, 2015

leafs in five said:
ideally we can get a young-ish top 4 defenseman signed to a good deal with some salary covered plus a 3rd.

You want a young top 4 dman plus a pick for a middle aged bottom pairing man?

Macallan18 · Nov 20, 2015

buttman said:
You want a young top 4 dman plus a pick for a middle aged bottom pairing man?

who can't skate with the puck.

Menzinger · Nov 20, 2015

Banic said:
Veteran tough d men with limited contract length are in demand, especially around TDL. He's the kind of player that excels under certain systems. Hunwick was a bottom pairing d man on other teams as well.

I think he's moveable too - but the price won't be all that high. Like a 3rd + a later pick.

I'd still take it.

YOYOTCROSTER* · Nov 20, 2015

at that price they will hold on. Shanny and Lou are not trading a tough dman for nothing. Just cause the Oilers are scrambling to find one and calling everyone does not mean Leafs will give their only tough guy up. Again the price to come back will surprise most of you.

yubbers · Nov 20, 2015

buttman said:
You want a young top 4 dman plus a pick for a middle aged bottom pairing man?

St. Louis did!! :laugh:

zeke · Nov 20, 2015

they'll try for a 2nd + 4th a la Winnik but may have to settle for a 3rd.

I doubt any dman will be coming back the other way with our abundance of young dman prospects who profile as #4-6 dmen.

Ovate · Dec 1, 2015

Polak's been playing a bit better recently. Not amazing, but he seems to have returned to last season's form. Better than the beginning of this season for sure.

Stats01 · Dec 1, 2015

I think they'll get a 2nd for him, seems like a fair price

showtime8 · Dec 1, 2015

I'm not sure what the urgency is to get rid of Polak.

I think we're finally starting to see the toll that the minutes Hunwick is playing isn't sustainable. He's been exposed lately and the guy that we saw in the first 10 games isn't what we're going to get for the last 55 games of the season.

So that leaves the minutes to be distributed throughout to Marincin & whomever else is going to fill in.

I'm all for trading Polak, but I don't know what the rush is for.

Stephen · Dec 1, 2015

yubbers said:
St. Louis did!!

Gunarsson and Polak are the same age.

Johny Drama · Dec 1, 2015

showtime8 said:
I'm not sure what the urgency is to get rid of Polak.

I think we're finally starting to see the toll that the minutes Hunwick is playing isn't sustainable. He's been exposed lately and the guy that we saw in the first 10 games isn't what we're going to get for the last 55 games of the season.

So that leaves the minutes to be distributed throughout to Marincin & whomever else is going to fill in.

I'm all for trading Polak, but I don't know what the rush is for.

Polak has played a lot better recently and Marincin seems to be doing better last couple of games, also.

Would imagine Polak would be delt close to the deadline where teams start to get a bit desperate and overpay.

therealkoho · Dec 1, 2015

so it's been a month

has the uh smoke cleared yet :laugh:

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